Tours Family History & Genealogy

Bartul (Bartos) Frangipani Franepan - Zrinski (Zrinsky, Zriny, Zrin) - Kreuz de Castel Propetto de Veglia and Modrus - Cognac de La Tours

From correspondence:
Dear Cousin Eva:
.......

I am looking for the baptismal certificate from 4th Great Grandfather Prince Nicholas Josef Bartul (Bartos) Frangipani and his father Count Doymus(Duimo)(Frangipani), that recieved titles in 1738 in Hungary. I have been going through all records from Venice, Italy but he may have been born and/or baptized some where else maybe in Czech Republic,Bohemia Hungary/Transylvania/Siebenburgen/Trgoviste.

I saw that the records stated we were from a branch that did not suffer punishment of Banus Christof who was beheaded along with brother-in-law, Zrinski (Zrinsky, Zriny, Zrin) in the year 1572 on trumped up/fake charges where they destroyed all titles and took all his lands. The historical records show this part of family was all later cleared of these charges because they discovered the truth of what happened. Thus they were deemed martyrs.

This was the larger branch of family that was mostly killed off. My branch was directly from original Princedom before Hungarian King Kolomon (Coloman). I saw records that clearly stated 3rd Great Grandfather recovered all titles and lands and was fully recognized as original branch lineage on
3 February 1820, one month after marriage. My original branch was from Duimo Franepan (Frangipani - Frankopan) Prince of Veglia (Krk Island area) recognized in year 1193. Duimo also from a Latin word "Dominus" meaning "Lord."

The man who's name is really "De Lupis" who legally changed his name to my family's names but is not my family claimed his first name as Duimo but it is not this name. It is "Louis". He used to go by "Don Louis". Now he takes all the family names from my family and thinks he is entitled to the royal titles and lands as well. This family was entrusted with a document from my family's archives. This to me is like a person who is entrusted to hold a painting from a famous painter. This does not make him the painter who painted the picture nor apart of the painter's family.


The branch that was murdered off on the trumped up charges held titles and lands in Modrus. This is where 4th Great Grandfather Prince Nicholas Josef Bartul (Bartos) Frangipani de Kreuz de Castel Propetto de Veglia and Modrus may be the relative that binds our lineage's together. He was from the House of Anjou de Cognac and his family was from de Rennes de Bouillon. This was the original roots of the original Counts of Anjou where Torquatus, the first Count of Anjou derived. I remember reading a branch of our family called Cognac de La Tours. Does this sound like any relation to your side? The one related to me was the Lady in Waiting to Marie Antoinette. I believe they killed her and her daughter escaped harm.

Warm regards,

Princess Susanna Torquatus Von Radic

Posted by Eva Bartosova

Bartul (Bartos) Frangipani Franepan - Zrinski (Zrinsky, Zriny, Zrin) - Kreuz de Castel Propetto de Veglia and Modrus - Cognac de La Tours

From correspondence:
Dear Cousin Eva:
.......

I am looking for the baptismal certificate from 4th Great Grandfather Prince Nicholas Josef Bartul (Bartos) Frangipani and his father Count Doymus(Duimo)(Frangipani), that recieved titles in 1738 in Hungary. I have been going through all records from Venice, Italy but he may have been born and/or baptized some where else maybe in Czech Republic,Bohemia Hungary/Transylvania/Siebenburgen/Trgoviste.

I saw that the records stated we were from a branch that did not suffer punishment of Banus Christof who was beheaded along with brother-in-law, Zrinski (Zrinsky, Zriny, Zrin) in the year 1572 on trumped up/fake charges where they destroyed all titles and took all his lands. The historical records show this part of family was all later cleared of these charges because they discovered the truth of what happened. Thus they were deemed martyrs.

This was the larger branch of family that was mostly killed off. My branch was directly from original Princedom before Hungarian King Kolomon (Coloman). I saw records that clearly stated 3rd Great Grandfather recovered all titles and lands and was fully recognized as original branch lineage on
3 February 1820, one month after marriage. My original branch was from Duimo Franepan (Frangipani - Frankopan) Prince of Veglia (Krk Island area) recognized in year 1193. Duimo also from a Latin word "Dominus" meaning "Lord."

The man who's name is really "De Lupis" who legally changed his name to my family's names but is not my family claimed his first name as Duimo but it is not this name. It is "Louis". He used to go by "Don Louis". Now he takes all the family names from my family and thinks he is entitled to the royal titles and lands as well. This family was entrusted with a document from my family's archives. This to me is like a person who is entrusted to hold a painting from a famous painter. This does not make him the painter who painted the picture nor apart of the painter's family.


The branch that was murdered off on the trumped up charges held titles and lands in Modrus. This is where 4th Great Grandfather Prince Nicholas Josef Bartul (Bartos) Frangipani de Kreuz de Castel Propetto de Veglia and Modrus may be the relative that binds our lineage's together. He was from the House of Anjou de Cognac and his family was from de Rennes de Bouillon. This was the original roots of the original Counts of Anjou where Torquatus, the first Count of Anjou derived. I remember reading a branch of our family called Cognac de La Tours. Does this sound like any relation to your side? The one related to me was the Lady in Waiting to Marie Antoinette. I believe they killed her and her daughter escaped harm.

Warm regards,

Princess Susanna Torquatus Von Radic

Posted by Eva Bartosova