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Anjou – Angevin – Torquatus –Radic – Raditsch – Radich – Frangipani – Modrus – Bartos – De Lupus – De Lupis - Plantagenet

To see several lists of surnames see box Bartos on [external link]
Try also see any surname carefuly on [external link] because some can be in its box more information than in this article and only then you can understand genealogical tree, which is from my correspondence.

By Eva Bartosova

Correspondence with Princess Susanna Torquatus von Raditsch:


Anyway the story about Napoleon was this. In the very beginning stages of his career he had many dreams and wishes. From those who knew him personally within my family past on the stories that he was not the Devil as many would like to call him. In the beginning he spoke a lot about Charlemagne (Charles Magnus) to the point of obsession. When he initially got into power he had at his disposal many experts in various fields. He had at his disposal a lot money to pay towards his dream of finding the descendants of the Manlius Torquatus family (my lineage). The reason he wanted this so badly was because my side of the family was famous throughout centuries of history for their Military Expertise. He heard how my family was the force behind the success of Charlemagne (a family ancestor by blood) and the Torquatus who's son was the first Duke of Anjou who married into the Royal House that became The House of Plantagenet, also called the House of Anjou, or Angevin dynasty. The story says that they were originally a noble family from France, which ruled the County of Anjou but if you look at the records written by the Church there and the Cistine Monks of Anjou, it all began with a man they called To see several lists of surnames see box Bartos on [external link]
Try also see any surname carefuly on [external link] because some can be in its box more information than in this article and only then you can understand genealogical tree, which is from my correspondence.

By Eva Bartosova

Correspondence with Princess Susanna Torquatus von Raditsch
. He also knew the common knowledge of that time that our side of the family was a direct lineage to what is known at the Merovignian line.

What I find strange and still researching is that there is a record that states my branch of the female side of the family was the last of the Carolingian descendants. This probably indicates the Male side is originally from the Merovingians.


Click here: House of Plantagenet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


This website might help you with the search your ancestor. Try typing in the name you wrote to me about and see what happens. Beware though that not all you see on these websites are truly 100% accurate and they do have some bugs to work out because they are somewhat incomplete.

Click here: The House of Anjou 1

Click here: Medieval Sourcebook: Chronicle of the Counts of Anjou, c. 1100

The names were altered because of the language barriers and because those around my ancestor did not speak his native tongue. This is the Gallo - Roman side of our family.

Napoleon found my family after a short investigation and made contact with them. They became close relatives and friends as I mentioned to you before. They assisted him on a couple of his campaigns that were very successful. He became inspired from the family's history that was deeply investigated by his people. He saw himself as a kind of Caesar of his modern day. One of my family members encouraged him to make himself a golden laurel wreath to wear upon his brow. He is seen depicted in paintings just like this. He rewarded my family with protection from loosing their lands in Italy. Their relationship with him caused him to pass the unprecedented laws that gave the Jewish people normal human rights as they should have had but no one had dared to give for centuries. The relationship also inspired him to start what was called "The Illyrian Movement." He tried to help restore our family's legacy. He met resistance from Eastern sources and this is what I have reason to believe made him head into Poland and Russia.

Everyone would like to think of Napoleon as a mad man but he was like any other ruler from the past who tried to set his example and legacy in stone for future generations. He wanted to be remembered for doing something on a grand scale. He wanted to be spoken of in a good way for centuries to come. He learned much of military tactics from my family who has for centuries past down their Military Secrets from generation to generation (to man, woman and child of their direct lineage). Please don't think I resent how I was raised because I don't. I realize now that it was a legacy from generation to generation that needed to be taught and forced into someone who would carry it on for the next generation. Otherwise the methods and ideals could not survive.

You see how our families are intertwined throughout history. This is because they intermarried for centuries.

Now you have heard a lot about how my family was and how they fit into your side of the family but I want to hear more about your side. I don't want to bore you with only my side of it all. Although I will be writing you about De Lupis. I have to find all the things I know about him because I do not believe in putting down in writing anything unless I know for certain it is the absolute truth that can be proved without a doubt.

I know you are intelligent enough to realize I am not trying to purposely boast about my direct side of the family. I know you must know I have written down what I have in order to preserve the history as it truly was so that no one takes it and changes it to suit their own ambitions.

I did not want to tell anyone for a long time about anything because I felt somewhat ashamed. I felt we lost everything, all possessions and found people made fun of this fact. It didn't matter it was not our fault. It was circumstances that was not in our control. It was a powerful evil force that was long ago foretold in scriptures that had to come to pass.

I soon realized by sharing the truth about my side of the family seemed to help others with their searches because they either found something in material I found or in something I said to them.

By the way although my 3rd Great Grandfather on the Maternal side held a "Count" title in 1820, this was only one of several of his inherited titles. The English family has given rise to a phenomena where their people have sold noble and aristocratic titles like wild fire. This was done in the centuries past when some family members needed money (this was one reason why the title of Marquise was invented, it was only considered as a "Courtesy Title" with no power or real substance). What the common person seems to be extremely ignorant about are the differences between the "Royal, Noble and Aristocratic status." Their behavior has allowed the common man in to such a degree that our Royal kind has been truly compromised and ridiculed where no one respects it in the same manner as it once was.

Our side of the family was from original "Royal Blood - Authentic Blue Blood." They were very, very strict and deadly serious about their ideals. This was part of the underlying problem during the French Revolution and the Adam Weishaupt movements.

What I am trying to get at is not just the importance of who we really are and but their true value.

My Mother went to Croatia and during the latter part of 1969 in Zagreb was proclaimed "Queen of Croatia." This caused the deaths of several people who worked on this project. I have photographs of this visit of hers.

This is not the only reason why I took on the Royal Title of "Her Royal Highness Princess." The important side to the Croatian culture is the "Paternal Side" of your family. To show you how important it is to tell the truth and share the truth with others, I used as my method the stories I heard since childhood and then took the stance of a complete pessimist about the stories and decided to go by pure factual documentations. I discovered records how we got the name Torquatus Von Radic. I already explained the Torquatus end of the family's history to a small degree. However I discovered the reason the people gave us the nickname Radic. Rad means laughing or happy with the patronymic suffix of ic. The story of Marcus Manlius Torquatus who was the son of the Manlius Torquatus that championed Rome that day with the Gaul warrior has his story as well. He heard the sound of geese cackling and this woke him up to investigate. He saw the Gauls climbing the rocks and reached down for the closest one and picked him up and threw him down on top of the rest of them. This woke up the rest of the soldiers and Romans who came to assist him. He also used his own money to get some debtors out of prison and freed others from their debts by selling off some of his own property. There were political enemies that accused him of trying to manipulate their system of government to gain popularity (as if he did not have enough of it already) and his enemies cowardly ganged up on him and threw him off the rocks to his death. Because of the loss and tragedy of this family member from that day forward no one directly related to this branch of the family ever named another child "Marcus". This promise has been kept within my family still to this day. This is why on many of our coat of arms from the Male's side of my family has depicted laughing geese.

The story however does not truly end there. The Male side of my family was also related by blood to the King's of Friuli and in particular to one named "Radic" who was the last "King of Croatia and Bosnia" who was murdered when he escaped and went in search of Nikolas Frangipani (Frankopan) who he knew would help him with his claim to his inheritance. The historians thought for a while that this Radic was in fact the brother of Tomasević who was Croatian-Bosnian King Stjepan Tomasević in 1463. Radic was not the brother but the Uncle who was Cousin to Frangipani. I know something that is not in any history books. When Radic died, his Cousin the Frangipani adopted his surviving children and kept them on Krk/Veglia then moved them to Modrus. This is where those villas that they took over comes into play for me and why it is so significant to get them back!

Click here: Ivan Anz Frankopan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I have strong reason from researches that I have conducted and much materials I have read to believe that Radic was related to Trpimir the first King of Croatia by close family blood ties.

Radic is the namesake of my ancestor on the culturally important Male's side and for a reason they kept it alive as a part of their name.

All the best regards,

Princess Susanna Torquatus Von Radic (Frangipani - Frankopan - Anjou de Cognac)

Stanislaus is a name related to one of my family's branches.

......my Great Great Grandfather on the female's side of the family was Nikolas (Nicholas) Josef Anton Frangipani out of Castell Propetto who was awarded the titles by Franz I of Austria in Vienna on February 3, 1820, which was one month after he married my Great Great Grandmother Katarina. This side I also recently discovered was related to the Medici of Italy and have a couple of castles in Venice.

Warm regards,

Susanna Torquatus Von Radic (Frangipani - Raditschs)

After discovering this recent information, it opened up much for me. I suddenly realized what the fight was really all about. I discovered Grandfather's paternal side was originally from ancient Rome from an original royal family there that became a Patrician family after the fall of relatives from the Monarchy. They ruled as the Dukes of Benevento and Spoleto, then became Kings of Friuli and of the Lombards. They then left and resettled in France and held the titles of the Counts of Anjou. This all made sense because they were military for centuries. The first Count of Anjou was named Torquatus. He was from ancient Roman family named Manlius where came the Manlius Capitolus (meaning from the capital city) and the branch called Manlius Torquatus. Manlius is the surname that has survived in my family since 753 B.C. Torquatus began with ancestor who was leader of Rome who had to champion Rome in a hand to hand combat against the Gauls. He was wounded by the giant warrior they chose for him to fight that day with a spear and fell to the ground and everyone thought he had been mortally wounded. Giant Gaul turned to crowd that was cheering when suddenly my ancestor starts laughing like a crazy man. He stands up removes spear while laughing and says something to the effect like is that all you've got, is this the best you can do. He then kills the giant Gaul, cuts off his head and takes the large gold "torq" (word for necklace) as his trophies. From that day his new name became Manlius Torquatus. He saved Rome that day from the destruction of the powerful Gauls. Later on the name Radic came into play. Rad means laughing or happy. They added the patronymic suffix of ic at the end.

I heard that Napoleon knew of my family's legendary military skills and came to meet them and make them an offer. I do not know what happened from that point on. I do know that the agreement was to free the Jews as part of it all.

My Grandfather's female side of the family came from the legendary Jordan (Giordano) Pierleoni who lived around the 7th century. He came from a royal very powerful and wealthy Jewish family who had their start out of the ghettos of Rome where by their laws, they only allowed Jews to live. My family never forgot this part of their lives. They forever remained humble about it all. Rome was starving because of a great famine. This ancestor made a large present of bread to feed the hungary people of Rome during this time. They changed his name from Pierleoni to Frangipani. There were only three branches of this family. The Roman branch's male line died out and the name Pierleoni forever changed. The second branch was ruling Northern Italy as Frangipani out of Venice. The third and final branch lived in Croatia and this is my direct ancestor. His name was Prince Ivanish Nikolas Frangipani (Frankopan). He lived during the 14th century in Croatia after leaving Venice when he inherited the title and lands. His cousin King Radic was the last King of Croatia and Bosnia. Radic went to find him because he knew he would have protection and support from his close relative. He was suddenly murdered. It is suspected by King Sigismund's men. He was survived by his children who were raised by the Frangipani family. They remained there under their protection for the remainder of the family branch's existence. This was until my Grandfather left the area to come to America in search of the last Frangipani who was a Marquise. Prince Ivanish Nikolas died in the year 1436.

I also heard the same information about Bartholomew as well. The name for my family came from Bartalan (Bertalan) which is Bartholomew. I have seen it altered to Bartul and Bartol /Barthol as well. It is still a derivative of the same name.

There is a Bartol or Bartalan - Bertalan who was from the Frangipani branch. This was Istvan (Stefan) Bartalan (Bartos-Bartul-Bartol) Count of Veglia and Modrus Ban of Croatia died 1481 married Isotta d'Este in 1446. Isotta lived between (1425 - 1456). The connection of this Bartol or Bartalan (because there are so many of them in the family tree) is that he was Count of Modrus. The year is off from the 1601 you have.

I do not see another Bartol or Bartalan or Bartholomew anywhere else in 1600s. This of course does not mean anything as you know because the records are incomplete. I am sure there is a way to connect the dots.

If they came from Yugoslav area chances are very strong that we are related!

I also know exactly what you mean about nobles who were illegitimate or made up areas to connect themselves to rule in place of those who should have ruled.

I myself am suffering a great battle about such a thing at the moment.

There is a man who claims himself to be from some fourth branch of the Frangipani family from Rome at the moment. He went public after I went public. He claimed he was a Prince of Croatia. He legally changed his name in London, England around 1992 to Frangipani. The crazy thing is everyone knows my family was extremely close. There was no fourth branch! I recently challenged his claim again. He backed down from his claim of Princedom and now claims he is a Duke! I again challenged his claim. He published his so called pedigree but it does not remotely match anything that belongs to my family and he put the titles of Marquise in front of all of the ancestors. The title Marquise started in France and moved on to England by way of French nobles and not in Italy where he claims his family to be from.

The other problem is that he has been blocking me from making my legal and rightful claims to my inheritances (titles, lands and money). I said that anyone can legally change their name to whatever but this does not entitle you to legally claim the inheritance of another.

I said if he still claims to be a Duke this can only be because he was granted this title through England. The De Lupis family derived from two sources. One is from a family that existed during the 600s. This family plagued my family who ruled over Benevento, Spoleto and Friuli. My relative Grimoald left to save his son who was taken hostage and left De Lupus (a lower titled noble) in charge while he was away. This De Lupus self proclaimed himself as a Duke. He was soon found terrorizing everyone within miles. The people called him a tyrant ruler. He murdered and stole from everyone including the Patriarch. He told everyone they needed to get used to him and his family because King Grimoald was never coming back. He had sent someone to kill him. To his surprise King Grimoald did come back with his son in tact. He fought De Lupus for three days and on the third day he died. This was in the year 666. The other thing was that the entire family was stripped of all titles, lands and properties as a way to pay back everyone for all of the terrible damages they caused. Their titles were never restored! By the way, De Lupus means "the Wolf." The male line completely died out at the end of the 600s. The early 700s the female line completely died out.

This new De Lupis earned a knighthood on two occasions during the late 18th century early 19th century. I understand they were temporary titles with no land exchanges.
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Horvath – Horvat –Hrvat –Horvathy – Bartos – Bertalan – Bartul – Bartol – Radic – Kraljic – Szekely

To see several lists of surnames see box Bartos on [external link]
Try also see any surname carefuly on [external link] because some can be in its box more information than in this article and only then you can understand genealogical tree, which is from my correspondence.

By Eva Bartosova

Correspondence with Princess Susanna Torquatus von Raditsch:


Dear Cousin Eva:

Josef was very often the middle names but on many documents and records they used variants of all names; first, middle and of course many had various middle names. I saw one that had more than six middle names! I will have to see the pedigree when it is complete for the pattern. The first name of males from my side of the family (Maternal side) seems have been Nicholas, Duimo (Dominic, and or Lord) and Bertalan (Bartul-Bartol).

The item I wanted to explain about the name "Horvat - Horvath" is an interesting and lengthy story that should probably be shared with others. I found out from studies and records that the word "Horvat - Horvath - Horvathy" means "Croat - Croatian," the place of origin or nationality. There were periods throughout history when Croatians were kicked out of their own lands and forced to migrate to other countries away from normal cities or in small villages; refugee sites.

The Diaspora had their own family surnames; However, lands they migrated to often identified Croats with the addition of "Horvat - Horvath - Horvathy" as part of their surnames in addition to their own family surnames. They used this method to identify that they were originally born or derived from Croatian lands. There were some Croats themselves who used this method as a way to not loose their own identification or nationality where they could easily be blended into other cultures over time.

In some cases some Croats saw this act as a parallel similar to the treatment as Jews. Nazis forced Jews to wear a yellow star outside their clothing. This was a way of keeping the Horvat or Croats separate from their own. Calling yourself or your family "Horvat (Hrvat)" is different from having it forced upon your family by means of basic identification papers. A more clear explanation is that in some cases being called a Horvat had it's own interpretations for the time. As a result of their refugee status, they were seen as gypsies, undesirables. Which is derogatory. To complicate matter further new patronymic suffixes were also added as a result of the migrations.

Croatians have suffered a lot of damages throughout history. Many have been led astray by dominant political powers. These dominant polical powers used methods such as altering the historical facts concerning Croatian History itself where they often re-wrote history to suit their political agendas and sometimes to quell unrest. This was more evident during World War I, World War II and even more recent times as opposed to more ancient times where we know history was often exaggerated.

Croatian history is one of the most complicated histories of all because of it's location. It's military strategic location is prime territory, migratory routes (Croatia was the main artery for Christians during the Crusades), pristine panoramic views and rich agricultural lands have also been the cause of much unrest off and on throughout history. There have been many rulers from various different countries that usurped the efforts from Original Croatian Royal blood lines. This land has been coveted for centuries on end. This includes Byzantium, Rome/Italy, Hungary, Poland, Austria, Serbia (more modern rulers not related to ancient original Serbian Royal lineage's) and others.

The reason that I mentioned modern Serbian rulers not from ancient original Serbian Royal lineage is because, since ancient periods before Hungary's takeover and long after, throughout history, the original Croatian Royal lines intermarried with Serbian, Montenegrin, Slovenian, Bosnia-Herzegovinan, Dalmatian, Roman, German, and French Royal Blood lines; and not to mention with those from the stronger ruling countries such as Austria, Hungary, and Italy. This seems to be a fact that is often ignored. Political parties have often used propaganda to hide this fact as a tool to fan the fires between the different areas involved periodically. Instead of creating peace or unification by telling the truth that Royal Families of these areas intermarried with each other for centuries. Therefore they are all related and family to each other.

My overall lengthy point is that the Original Royal Croatian family's surname was "Hrvat." This was taken from the legendary King called "Hrvat" who ruled 626 to 635. There were five brothers and two sisters from this branch of original family members. The brothers' names were Klukas, Lobel, Kosjenc, Muhlo, Hrvat, Tuga and Buga.

The original seven siblings (5 brothers and the 2 sisters) led the Croats from the area around Krakow, Poland into the Balkans. They were invited by Byzantine Emperor Heraclius who ruled between 610 to 641 to help him fight the Avars and get them out of Illyria/Panonia/Croatia. The Croats were awarded lands as a place to settle as payment for their sacrifices and loss of family during these wars. Shortly before or shortly after their agreement and settlement to the area, as it was custom to do in those days, the Byzantine Emperor Heralius fortified his relationship with them by way of an arranged marriage(s) between an approved party of his own family and theirs. This was done for the obvious reasons. This is a typical Roman "foedus aequum relationship" which is illustrated by tenth century Emperor Constantine VII Prophyrogenet: "De Administrando Imerio" which translates " The Administration/Government Imperial Empire" (About Ruling the Empire), chapter 31.

By the way in Tungus mythology, Buga is the supreme God (akin to Tengri) and represents the entire universe. "Buga" also means universe. Buga Sangarin is the name Tungus shamans given to the North Star, which is regarded as the gateway to heaven. I was told this is also an Huns name given to a speical eldest clan member. Whether this is true or not, I don't know for sure.
Tengris: Tengriism was the ancient belief of all Turkic peoples and Mongols before the vast majority joined the established world religions. It focuses around the sky deity Tengri (also Tangri, Tangra, etc.) and incorporates elements of shamanism, animism, totemism, ancestor worship and certain elements of Chinese cosmology. In modern Turkey Tengriism is sometimes called as Göktanr religion by some scholars. Even though there has not been enough research, Tengriism is thought to heavily influence Alevi belief system.
Attila the Hun's period was between 406 - 453. I was told that after his death there was a great struggle for power amongst the remaining family members. What complicated things were the various wives and children he had with these women. I was told about a family curse that the second wife admitted to amongst our family members because she felt her child should inherit it all. The curse was said that we would live under quarrels or under corals for as long as the blood line lives. I could not fully understand the elder's words, therefore quarrels or corals is confusing to me. The elder person who described this story to me was ill and dying as they said it.

According to the family's account there was a great amount of rumor spread and this created a lot of strife for the eldest son's ascension to the throne/power. This arguing caused the end of Attila the Huns family's power. This should have taught them a valuable lesson of family sticking together. Who married who from the family to the Roman Emperor's family or the details of this period still needs sorting out. As I know things, my end of the family was the branch that eventually was the branch that became King of the Lombards and Dukes of Fruili, Benevento and Spoleto. From there they moved to Renne, France and became the Counts of Anjou.

Some people are not aware that most Royal blood lines held more than one title. Therefore you could be a King or Prince of one land and have inherited Count or Baron titles to other areas.

There is another point to be made clear as well; the surname "Horvat - Horvath - Horvathy" does not necessarily mean that you are a direct descendant of "King Hrvat" who ruled between 626 - 635. People need to keep in mind the refugee process where a family could have obtain this surname by way of refugee sites.

However, with our family it was legally and properly noted for whatever reasons at the time as in J. Siebmacher's Wappenbuch, Band 35, Page 64 - 65 and original documents in Italian/Austrian/Croatian National Archives and research studies from Count Wilczek (famous explorer and one of the first archeologists) in 1896 in Austrian library regarding the Horvat I de Palisna, the direct branch of my family from male line of the 14th century, there are significant records of our family. All of the records stated that
"Our family's bloodline derives from an Emperor that lived 367 B.C." It then goes on to state:

"The Horvat of Palisna are Ancient Croatian Noble bloodline which comes from Palisna [today Paleznik] in the Old Cruiser Comitate [County] and bit of the domination Horvati Ostlich of Djakovar, in the old Comitate Vukovo [County of Vukovo/Ancient Illyrian-Roman-Greco].

With the Horvat were a tribe and coming the families Palisna, Mikulasich [Michaelich], Terzek [Turzcek], Kustyer, Zöld and Sos were the sammtlich [sammt: collective part steming from] - lich: laughed – Croatian: Rad – happy or glad, patronomic suffix ić – family Radić] in Palisna were titled and propertied.

The large historic roll, which Paul Horvat of Palisna, Bishop of Zagreb (1379 – 1387) his brother Johann Horvat v. Palisna, Ban of Croatia (1385 – 1386, 1387), and his relative Johann of Palisna, Prior of Vrana and Ban of Croatia (1385 – 1386, 1388) historical role played, is generally well known and needs described here not more in more detail.

The newer Hungarian historians challenged the family Horvat (or like it to write choose Horvathy, Hrvat, Kroat,) and "of Palisna" and maintain that the Horvats are derived of a Hungarian Genus [race] by the name of from Vancha or Bancha.

On the other hand, it is probable that Count Wilczek, agrees that the family Horvat are of Palisna an illegitimate next to branch from the “King’s House of Anjou”. For this hypothesis, also existing is a crest, further proof of the entire effectiveness of this family speaks and finally the circumstance that they become in contemporary of Original that specific consanguinei [from the pure blood] of the Anjou genes [race].

The bottom notation from these records stated this:

*) Although all families Names Horvath stems out of Croatia this is not the case with this particular family. We have received heir nevertheless, whose Croatian origin is sublime over all doubt, or better that Original Croatian Royal Blood lives. In other words, Croatia/Illyrian original origin of this blood line, but mixed with Hungarian and ancient Croatian King family blood lines are intertwined. Thus the name of this ancient family is from the original legendary family whose King was by the name of Hrvat. "Horvath" (Croat) were named in Hungary everyone however, this family is from aces [first family] .

This is exactly the way it is written in the archival records. It is a very rough translation but more to the point a very accurately stated translation.

I think it is probably safe to say my 4th Great Grandfather (male side of the family) who was Prince Josef Michael Horvat Torquatus von Radic mentioned in J. Siemacher's Wappenbuch, Band 35, page 68 - 69 who received title and properties in the year 1743 is a descendant from King Hrvat's family and the blend which is related to the Original Roman Manlius Torquatus branch by way of Hungarian Royal blood lines. I state this because the records state over and over again that we descend from Romanish Illyrian blood.

Very warm regards,

Princess Susanna Torquatus von Radic



also found this information very helpful and stories somewhat matched those told to me as a child from people who had no formal education (servants) and certainly no access to libraries with books even if they could read and write.


Click here: Thocomerius of Wallachia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Click here: List of rulers of Wallachia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Warm regards,

Princess Susanna Torquatus Von Radic

Thank you Cousin Eva:

This information you gave I quite helpful indeed. I am going to order records from these areas you mentioned to see if any matches there.

I saw records of migrations my made to Transylvania around 1600s. It states in this record that we owned property in Siebenburgen and Vel. Trgoviste in Zagorien. I am not completely certain where these areas exactly are located. I found Siebenburgen means the seven towers which is Vlad the Impaler's castle. The other area Vel. Trgoviste in Zagorien I am not firmly certain about. It does emanation that we are from a "Szent-Kiraly" blood line which translates to Sainted King. Then it says de Szekely gefuhrt and my Great Great Uncle Alfons v. Kraljic. It is together with this that there shows the migration to Modrus shortly after.

Regards,

Princess Susanna Torquatus Von Radic


Posted by Eva Bartosova
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Surnames: Palisna, Mikulasich [Michaelavich], of Terzek [Turzcek], Kustyer, Zöld and Sos – Radic – Horvath – Anjou - Frangipani (Frankopan) - The Horvat of Palisna - [today Paleznik] - Horvati Ostlich of Djakovar - [County of Vukovo/Ancient Illyrian-Roman-Greco] – Merovingian – Hungary – Croatia -Kroat

To see several lists of surnames see box Bartos on [external link]
Try also see any surname carefuly on [external link] because some can be in its box more information than in this article and only then you can understand genealogical tree, which is from my correspondence.

By Eva Bartosova

Correspondence with Princess Susanna Torquatus von Raditsch:

The newer Hungarian Historians challenge the spelling of the family Horvat (or like it to write choose Horvathy, Hrvat, Kroat,) and "of Palisna" and maintain that the Horvats are derived of a Hungarian Genus [race] by the name of from Vancha or Bancha.

On the other hand, Count Wilczek

From correspondence:

saw from records that De Lupis family snagged one of my family's documents in late 1800s. I don't know why they obtained it nor how. I have research so much about them and do not see connection where they can make any claims to my family names or properties.

I am trying to find a solicitor that can help me fight this problem. I spent years collecting evidence and documents to show I am legitimate heir to Anjou and Frangipani (Frankopan) family. It was not easy but I found more than adequate amount to prove my blood connections. All I have shows I am direct descendant and not from that long ago either.

The story of Anjou I have been trying to tell you about for a couple of days now is this.

There was a branch of Horvat de Anjou Frangipani (Frankopan) that is direct branch of my ancestors. There were five brothers to this particular branch of my family. Three from this branch became very famous for something terrible. This is translation from J. Siembmacher's Wappenbuch band 35, "Der Udel von Kroatien und Slavonien. It is a rough translation but important.


With the Horvat were a clan and coming the families of Palisna, Mikulasich [Michaelavich], of Terzek [Turzcek], Kustyer, Zöld and Sos were the sammtlich [sammt: collective part - lich: laughed - Croatian: Rad - happy or glad, patronomic suffix ić - family Radić]. In Palisna titled and propertied. The large historic roll, which Paul Horvat of Palisna, Bishop of Agram [Zagreb] (1379 - 1387) his brother Johann Horvat von Palisna, Ban of Croatia (1385 - 1386, 1387), and their relative Johann of Palisna, Prior of Vrana and Ban of Croatia (1385 - 1386, 1388) played, is generally well known and needs described here not more in more detail.

Crest: Getheilt, Crowned [sharp the first in line] born 5 [five] (2. 1. 2.) Lily behind three oblique beams. (After Marczali H. [Professor of History in Hungary, Henrik Marczali ] in "Magyarorszag" [Hungarian] törtenete Millen. relatives from Caesar. S. 367) [records of the Magyarorszag törtenete Millen. Ausg. Family first recorded in 367].

The Horvat of Palisna are Ancient Croatian Noble bloodline which comes from Palisna [today Paleznik] in the Old Cruiser Comitate [County] and bit of the domination Horvati Ostlich of Djakovar, in the old Comitate Vukovo [County of Vukovo/Ancient Illyrian-Roman-Greco].


The newer Hungarian Historians challenge the spelling of the family Horvat (or like it to write choose Horvathy, Hrvat, Kroat,) and "of Palisna" and maintain that the Horvats are derived of a Hungarian Genus [race] by the name of from Vancha or Bancha.

On the other hand, Count Wilczek (Szazadok 1896, H. 7), agrees from research completed that the family Horvat are of Palisna an illegitimate next to branch from the "King´s house of Anjou". For this hypothesis, also existing is a crest, further proof of the entire effectiveness of this family speaks and finally the circumstance that they become in contemporary of original that specific consanguinei [from the pure blood] of the Anjou genes [race].


This part of translation is very important to know.

*) Although all families Names Horvath stems out of Croatia this is not the case with this particular family. We have received heir nevertheless, whose Croatian origin is sublime over all doubt, or better that Original Croatian Royal Blood living in this branch. In other words, Croatia/Illyrian original origin of this blood line, but mixed with Hungarian and Ancient Croatian King family blood lines are intertwined. Thus the name of this ancient family is from the original legendary family whose King was by the name of Hrvat. "Horvath" (Croat) were named in Hungary everyone however, this family is from aces [first family] of legend Croatian family, whose actual names could not the Magyaren ausprechen [Hungarian language speak as their native language was Croatian] [completely verbalize as native Hungarians].

The other very valuable thing about my direct ancestors here were that Count Wilczek found the claim of "illegitimacy" was not completely true and proved. What he discovered was that this branch of direct ancestors (family) derived from Original Anjou and Merovingian lines. This branch derived from Charlemagne (Charles Magnus). Some historians wrote he had a few wives and therefore the children were not considered "legitimate" by some nobles or church. However records do indicate that he did marry each and every woman he had children with. Therefore they were "legitimate not illegitimate" children. What they argued over was that he might not have been divorced from one wife before he married the next? What I heard as a child was that the church refused to acknowledge the divorces and the new marriages. They considered only the first wife to have been a legal marriage by the church. What is hard to understand is that the church married him off to the other wives and long after he died suddenly claimed the children of all marriages, even first wife "illegitimate children." What I also heard since childhood this was propaganda brought on by political rivals fighting for claims of various thrones that belonged to his children (my direct ancestors).

There is more to the Horvat I of Palisna.

The three of the five brothers got talked into kidnapping Mary of Hungary by Sigismund.

Click here: Mary of Hungary - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is only a small portion of that story and what really happened. I heard a lot about things that are not in history books when I was very little. The way this site explains it, is very mixed up and confusing. When I try to repair the story and straighten out what I know for a fact from family members that passed the truth on, they won't let me. I guess they think historians and not family members know more about our family than we do?

What seems difficult for the average person to also understand is that the Royalty of Europe are all inter-related with one another and have been since time began.

Warm regards,

Princess Susanna Torquatus Von Radic (Frangipani-Frankopan-Anjou de Cognac)
Aug 19, 2007 · Reply
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De Lupis

To see several lists of surnames see box Bartos on [external link]
Try also see any surname carefuly on [external link] because some can be in its box more information than in this article and only then you can understand genealogical tree, which is from my correspondence.

By Eva Bartosova

Correspondence with Princess Susanna Torquatus von Raditsch

De Lupis is a big problem for me. Alexander of Serbia proved a bad challenge for me some years back but De Lupis takes the cake.

Some tell me he has no honor and is very sneaky and will stop at nothing to get his way. Lie steal cheat, they say none of this means anything to him. Personally I do not know him. I only know those who do communicate with him.

He is very upset I am around because he knows I can disprove and over ride his claims because they seem to be false.

In the beginning before I got to know him via others who know him, I really wished and hoped it was true, that he was related to my family. However I have been through everything with a fine tooth comb and have found nothing in the last 10 years to substantiate his claim that his family is related to the Frangipani (Frankopan) side of my family! Initially after being so excited to think I finally had relatives that were close in blood to only find nothing but arrogance from this man and his family and those connected with him, I found nothing but sadness and frustration.

This is his website with his pedigree. The people I have hired to look into it (very reliable and reputable ones) said they found inaccuracies in what he states on his website.

Click here: La famiglia Lupis (o Lupi o Luppis, a volte preceduti dal prefisso "de") e un'antica nobile casata italiana di pro


This is the story that went around about his daughter's marriage to the Windsor branch. This was only one of too many to cut and paste.

Click here: Whispers in the Loggia: The Windsor-Rome Reunion


Click here: Windsor bride-to-be's lineage questioned - Living

I have been informed that he took over a castle from my family they claimed was abandoned which it was not I just have had one hell of a time getting the Government which he and Alexander of Serbia have a hand in at the moment won't let me make the claims because they said I was not born in Croatia and not 100% of Croatian blood and I am a woman!

There were articles that I will look for later where people from Croatian Historical Societies wrote how they researched and found that this De Lupis family only held knighthood titles on two occasions during the latter part of the 18th century and early 19th century. The first title was given in a temporary capacity from one of our relatives and the second I am not sure of.

Still De Lupis' lineage is a far cry from his legal escapades of changing his name (like the Windsor tactic) to Frankopan (Frangipani) Subic - Zrinksi is a far cry from legally being one and legally entitling him and his family to the things that belong to my family by legal inheritance laws!

Thank you again for sharing such treasure of family information with me. Please tell me more about yours now!

Respectfully and warmly yours,

Princess Susanna Torquatus Von Radic (Frangipani - Frankopan - Anjou - Cognac)
Aug 19, 2007 · Reply
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Bartul (Bartos) Frangipani Franepan - Zrinski (Zrinsky, Zriny, Zrin) - Kreuz de Castel Propetto de Veglia and Modrus - Cognac de La Tours

From correspondence:
Dear Cousin Eva:
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I am looking for the baptismal certificate from 4th Great Grandfather Prince Nicholas Josef Bartul (Bartos) Frangipani and his father Count Doymus(Duimo)(Frangipani), that recieved titles in 1738 in Hungary. I have been going through all records from Venice, Italy but he may have been born and/or baptized some where else maybe in Czech Republic,Bohemia Hungary/Transylvania/Siebenburgen/Trgoviste.

I saw that the records stated we were from a branch that did not suffer punishment of Banus Christof who was beheaded along with brother-in-law, Zrinski (Zrinsky, Zriny, Zrin) in the year 1572 on trumped up/fake charges where they destroyed all titles and took all his lands. The historical records show this part of family was all later cleared of these charges because they discovered the truth of what happened. Thus they were deemed martyrs.

This was the larger branch of family that was mostly killed off. My branch was directly from original Princedom before Hungarian King Kolomon (Coloman). I saw records that clearly stated 3rd Great Grandfather recovered all titles and lands and was fully recognized as original branch lineage on
3 February 1820, one month after marriage. My original branch was from Duimo Franepan (Frangipani - Frankopan) Prince of Veglia (Krk Island area) recognized in year 1193. Duimo also from a Latin word "Dominus" meaning "Lord."

The man who's name is really "De Lupis" who legally changed his name to my family's names but is not my family claimed his first name as Duimo but it is not this name. It is "Louis". He used to go by "Don Louis". Now he takes all the family names from my family and thinks he is entitled to the royal titles and lands as well. This family was entrusted with a document from my family's archives. This to me is like a person who is entrusted to hold a painting from a famous painter. This does not make him the painter who painted the picture nor apart of the painter's family.


The branch that was murdered off on the trumped up charges held titles and lands in Modrus. This is where 4th Great Grandfather Prince Nicholas Josef Bartul (Bartos) Frangipani de Kreuz de Castel Propetto de Veglia and Modrus may be the relative that binds our lineage's together. He was from the House of Anjou de Cognac and his family was from de Rennes de Bouillon. This was the original roots of the original Counts of Anjou where Torquatus, the first Count of Anjou derived. I remember reading a branch of our family called Cognac de La Tours. Does this sound like any relation to your side? The one related to me was the Lady in Waiting to Marie Antoinette. I believe they killed her and her daughter escaped harm.

Warm regards,

Princess Susanna Torquatus Von Radic

Posted by Eva Bartosova
Aug 19, 2007 · Reply
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See also Bartos and Raditsch for more information and other surnames and lists posted on Bartos use to look for through [external link]

From my correspondence with Princess Susanna Torquatus von Raditsch:

You wrote to me about this part of the family.

"Stibor zo Stiboric dies 1434 and has no heritors, so for short time comes Modra to ownership of Pavol, son of Ulrich of Cerveny Kamen. He hold Modra only two years and it comes to hands of family Orsagh z Guty. Michal Orsagh de Guth, Modra is ownership of this family over 130 years."

I believe this part possibly has something to do with the information you mentioned above.

My Grandfather, as his father and his father and his father before him for centuries were all named Prince Michael Torquatus Von Radic from the Gussich clan.

So Gussich, Gussic (Guth) are all same as family as Radic, Raditsch, Radik, Radich.

In my branch of our family's tree there is a connection to what was known as the Gussich (Gussic-Guth) clan. They were originally called the Kurják (Curiacus) family and were termed eventually as the Gussich family that were noted around 1298-1307.

The name Kurják (Curiacus) part of the surname I was told was derived because of where they came from and where they owned property and ruled. At the time after serving in Rome they purchased lands/ownership of the Island of Krk, Croatia. This Island belonged to my family for many centuries; ever since prior to the invasions and settlements from Hungary.

I was told as a child the ancient name for Krk was Kurycta. I was told my ancient Roman - Illyrian ancestors often refereed to it as the "Splendidissima Civitas Kuryctarum." During ancient Roman periods, the Island served as a place to take holiday for my family. The houses they built on this Island date back to 9th or 10th century A.D. However they found even earlier settlements on and around this place.

Here is another family story to share if you like with your readers about our family and what they stood for. Just so they can see what we are truly made of.

Manlius (fem. Manlia) was the nomen (name) of the gens (clan) Manlia, a Patrician family of ancient Rome, from Tusculum, one of the oldest of the city.

The name Gussich (Gussic - Guth) derived from the part of the family's branch that belonged to Marcus Manlius Capitolinus, a Patrician of the Roman Republic who served as consul in 390 B.C. The attached surname of "Capitolinus" was because he ruled and settled in the capital of Rome (his home was named Capitolinus).

His story was that in 390 B.C. Rome was being besieged by the Gauls of Brennus who were attempting to scale the Capitoline Hill during the late night hours. He awoke by the cackling of geese and rushed to the spot where they were and saw the Gauls nearing the top of the hill. He grabbed the first Gaul he could get his hands on and threw him down on top of the assailants causing many to fall to their deaths. His actions roused the rest of his soldiers who ran to his aid. Thus he saved Rome's capital from being slaughtered in the middle of the night by his alertness.

The word Gussic (Gussich - Guth) I was told comes from the word "Goose." The dogs that were supposed to act as the alarm failed to do their jobs. As a result of this they were slaughtered and the geese were then blessed by their pagan priests. From that day forward for many years after to celebrate this occasion in history, the Romans paraded the geese on purple and gold pillows throughout Rome and every years slaughtered dogs as a sacrifice to the God's of the Sacred Golden Geese of the Manlii.
Several years after Marcus Manlius Capitolinus saw a friend of his, who became a Centurion, led to prison for debt. He had gone to the prison to speak to his old friend. There he saw the treatment of other people and he was disgusted by what he saw. He saw young Mother's with their Children, starving and beaten badly. One mother told him she had to allow herself to be raped by the soldiers to get them to feed her hungary children. He made a promise to himself about the people he spoke to. He freed his friend which he did with his own money.
He then sold his estate to relieve these and other poor debtors. People saw him as their hero. This along with his previous heroics made many enemies for him. He found himself suddenly accused by the senate of embezzling public money. He was also charged with aspiring to Kingly power, and condemned by the comitia. He did not have the money to protect himself and do what normally someone would in his situation; pay off some Senators to save him. He had spent all of his money trying to save people that had no power to save him, but not until the assembly had adjourned to a place without the walls of the senate, where they could no longer see the Capitol which he had once saved.
His house on the Capitol (the origin of his surname) was destroyed, and the Manlii (Manlius Clan Members) had no power to help him. Afraid they would all be destroyed by the jealous and envious powerful Senators of Rome were completely helpless. Thus they promised that henceforth from that day forward, no Patrician Manlius should bear the name of "Marcus." This promise was kept since. To this very day, no person from our family line has been given the name "Marcus" as our way to honor his honorable memory.
Radic is again a part of this story because it involves the Slavic word "Rad" meaning happy or laughing. Thus many of our coat of arms depict the laughing Geese which is to represent that branch of the family directly related to Marcus Manlius Capitolinus son of Titus Manlius Imperiosus Torquatus who held three Consulships of Republican Rome in 347, 345, and 340 B.C. was son of Lucius Manlius.
Titus Manlius T.f. Torquatus (d. 299 BC) was a Patrician Roman Republican consul for 299 BC, elected along with a plebeian co-consul Marcus Fulvius Cn.f. Paetinus.
According to Livy (Book V: 11), Titus Manlius died of a fall from his horse, while preparing his troops to march into Etruria.
Titus Manlius Torquatus, was son of Titus (or Titus Manlius T.f. Torquatus), was Roman Republican consul 235 BC and 224 BC, censor 231 BC, and dictator 208 B.C.
There is also the part of this story of the family untold. There were was a story about one of the Manlius Torquatus, which one, memory escapes me at the moment. I will have to review notes I took when I was a young girl from the elders. This Manlius Torquatus ran into the jealousy and envy that they were gaining from the public's hearts. He was found hung from his neck because he could not bear the shame that was brought upon his name. My family's word has always meant something valuable to us. If we give our word (a promise) to do something, we will die to make good on that word. Honor means everything. A very old tradition in my family as you can see since before Jesus Christ.
You will find these stories but not completely told as the stories handed down from generation to generation by family as I have written above by (Livy v. 47; Plutarch, Camilus, 27).

The branch of the Gussich, Gussic that I am directly related to by blood is the one that my 3rd Great Grandmother Princess Katarina Turčitul (Turčič- Turčiči) of the Basarab clan who married by 3rd Great Grandfather Count Nicholas Josef Anton Frangipani (Frankopan) on January 2, 1820. My 2nd Great Grandfather is the "Count Nicholas Josef Jr., the second his eldest sons. Bartol (Bartul - Bartholomew - Barthol), the eldest had to meet with the elders of the family and went through a lot of trouble to finally receive approval for his marriage. However he because of the marriage, he had to renounce his title, lands and authority to rule under the Frangipani name. I believe he took the titles and lands and authority to rule from his new wife's family and thus all was passed down to my direct ancestor Nicholas Josef, Jr.
There is another thing to of interest in these records from the local registrars office that fortified the state archival records about this part of my family tree, my 2nd Great Grandfather (Maternal side), Josef Jr. married Maria Tihomiric (Tehomil - Tehomilic) with great blesings and arrangements of the family.
This side of the family has stories about their dependency and relationship to Attlia the Hun. From what I have read about their origins and verified through the migration records of this side of the family it is very possible that it is fact and not just family stories.
I researched and found this information: the Göktürks or Kök-Türks were a Turkic people of ancient Central Asia. Known in medieval Chinese sources as Tujue (); The Göktürks were under the leadership of Bumin Khan (d. 552) and his sons succeeded the Xiongnu as the main Turkic power in the region and took hold of the lucrative Silk Road trade.
The Göktürk rulers originated from the Ashina tribe, an Altaic people who lived in the northern corner of the area presently called Xinjiang. Under their leadership, the Göktürks rapidly expanded to rule huge territories in north-western China, North Asia and Eastern Europe (as far west as the Crimea). They were the first Turkic tribe known to use the name "Turk" as a political name.
T[h]ocomerius/Tihomir/Togomer/Totomer/Tugomir/Toq-Timur was thought to have been a Cuman/Romanian Prince (voivode) (c. 1290 – c. 1310), the father of Basarab I, the founder of the Principality of Wallachia.
Thocomerius is a rendition of Toctomerie/Tehomil, a genuine Cuman name found in Russian chronicles. He could also be identified with a minor Mongol prince, Toq-Timur, a son of Mongke-Timur (5th Khan of the Blue Horde), who lived in that area, as the eastern parts of Wallachia were under the hordes control.
Basarab I was an early ruler of the principality of Wallachia from perhaps as early as 1310 until 1352. He is sometimes referred to as Întemeietorul ("The Founder"), given his role in the creation of the state, together with his position as common ancestor of rulers in the Basarab dynasty.
Vlad III the Impaler; also known as Vlad Dracula is descendant of this man. He was born November or December, 1431 – December 1476 was Prince (voivode) of Wallachia, a former polity which is now part of Romania. His three reigns were in 1448, 1456–62, and 1476.
When I visited around 1996-1997 a couple of small villages, I was greeted nicely by most of the villagers. However when some of the real old villager discovered who I was, they came up to me and spit through their fingers in a very strange manner. When I asked the tourist guide why they had done this, he told me that they were insuring that I was not going to come after them in the middle of the night to suck their blood dry!
How strange that experience was! I felt like I stepped far back into time!

This is also part of my family's coats of arms that are the part that connect to Vlad the Impaler's side (direct Maternal side of my family); If you notice the third coat of arms which has the 2 Dragons which connect to each other. This is because of two family branches that interconnected directly with my branch. The Sacred Goose in the middle with the crown around the neck and over the entire coat of arms means ruling heirs of Princedom. Dragons were from the "Order of the Dragon."


We also share a similar coat of arms depiction with Michael the Brave from a Radic coat of arms. The bird in the middle holding the stone.


Mihnea Turcitul's official seal
All the best and very warm regards,
Princess Susanna Torquatus Von Radic


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Variants and hypotesis in my email:

Dear Cousin Susanna,

I am so amazed from genealogy you sent me, so it really goes back to Orsagh de Guth.

I know that in middle of Slovakia occurs family Guten, what could be variant and Guttenberg, who invented press of books could be descendant.

Goose, in Slovak or Czech is Hus! Husa is Goose, maybe Master Jan Hus, famous rebell, burned in Kostnica was descendant of this family.

So also to me came G to H, only possibility that Guth can be Huta, such exist surname and also some villages named after this surely noble family when had villages. Only possibility.

Kuric - I know here Kuric
occurs in Senkvice and Senkvice is Croatian settlement.

I thought Kuric is maybe from Kurucz.

Turcitul - you can browse on the net if some Turk, Turciansky and such villages and castles and families, surely you will find a lot. I also have related only through marriage here Turkovic family So Turkovic occurs in Modra.

Warmest regards,

Eva Bartosova
Aug 15, 2007 · Reply

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