John Hillman with bear


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This is a photo of John Hillman after a winter hunt. The man that is standing behind him seems to be a guide or wildlife officer.
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Ancient Faces
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What a photo! Unknown date - Any ideas?
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
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Nov 14, 2014 · Reply
Anneke Dubash
I think this is the same person. The Ancestry entry says that he was born in 1820 and died in 1905 but this photo is certainly in the late 1890s-early 1900s and this man certainly does not look in his 70s and 80s. It IS however, a John Hillman.
Nov 11, 2014 · Reply
Anneke Dubash
This would be about 1910 or so.
Nov 11, 2014 · Reply
Karen Hildreth
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Maine?
Nov 11, 2014 · Reply
Anneke Dubash
Holy crap... Some people are getting their panites in knots about something that was a fact of life for our ancestors. Fine. You have the luxury of being able to get fresh vegetables all year round. Your ancestors did not. They killed animals to survive. SURPRISE! they ate every bit. Used the hides and the bones when they could. Get over yourselves. If they didn't, you wouldn't be here. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
Nov 11, 2014 · Reply
Saskia Penn
People are making all sorts of assumptions to justify what we see in the photo. We don't know that these people had no other food source; heck we don't even know if they ate the bear meat at all. I personally don't think there is anything wrong with judging the past through the eyes of an enlightened present. We can look back and see how far we may (or may not have) come. There's nothing wrong with being repulsed by the photo, a photo that may very well be a posed celebration of a trophy kill.
Nov 10, 2014 · Reply
Serena Williams
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I get that people feel bad for the bear, but you can't take this picture out of context. This country would not have been able to get off the ground if people had not been allowed to hunt. It was a necessity. Imagine no grocery stores. Imagine the nearest store 50 miles away by horse or foot. This was for flour and salt and sugar. You'd probably have to wait until the snow cleared for that trip too. Your garden was also not an option for a while. People sometimes starved. A bear could be used for all sorts of things besides food. This isn't like two men on a safari--these are the men who laid the groundwork for all the things we take for granted and are able to benefit from today.
Nov 10, 2014 · Reply
Kara Ashley
Nice!! Looks to be late 1800s to me they must have been so happy
Nov 08, 2014 · Reply
Stefanie Daborn
Poor bear 😦
Nov 08, 2014 · Reply
Ann Parker
1920
Nov 08, 2014 · Reply
Ganma Debbie
Self righteous people kill me...I bet if that's ALL there was to eat you'd pull your chair right up to that table and be thankful for that meal, thankful for warm fur coat, and thankful for the guy's who went out and risked their lives to feed and cover you...get over it we are ment to hunt, fish, and garden to survive...when you go out to those fancy high priced restaurant's do you really know what there serving you...seriously this was/is a way of survival...yes even today...think about if the Ancestor's didn't hunt, and fish we surely wouldn't be here to set back and say how wrong this [external link] instead of condeming thank them for making the choices they did so their line could survive to creat us
Nov 07, 2014 · Reply
Siora Agiolina
If there was a dislike button I would choose it for sure
Nov 07, 2014 · Reply
Teresa Pearson
makes me think of my dad when he would go hunting.
Nov 07, 2014 · Reply
Jane Feather Buschkopf
Some people here are so judgmental! Try not to judge things in the past by today's norms. In reality, if your ancestors had not killed animals to survive, you would probably not be [external link] judge everyone else.
Nov 07, 2014 · Reply
Jean Gillis Vanasek
Well said, Jane Feather Buschkopf
Nov 08, 2014 ·
Pamela Gohil
I have so many old pics. Need to reorganize. Old old family pics
Nov 07, 2014 · Reply
Vanessa Reyanna Ojai
Horrible..
Nov 07, 2014 · Reply
Mary Zeiger
I know the guy on the right!
Nov 07, 2014 · Reply
John Morris
Good Food and nice coat in the making!!
Nov 07, 2014 · Reply
Gwen Moyle
Late 1800 to early 1900.
Nov 07, 2014 · Reply
Gwen Moyle
Penne not all people back then wasted food like that. Most only hunted what they needed and they used ALL of what they could of that animal. Meat they ate .. hides they used for blanket s. And so on.. from ALL animals, deer elk, moose, beaver, squirrel, turkey, ...... and let's not forget BEEN yes I said beef. God gave us all the animals for food to eat. Not to waste. It's sad that a lot of people did and still do. God will dill with them. Peace to all and God Bless
Nov 07, 2014 · Reply
Stella Gentilini
Horror movie poor bear
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Rachel Sturm
Great photo! I have deer hunters in my family and have helped my mother prepare the meat for freezing. My brothers have a great setup at their camp and do a great job of keeping the meat clean and ready for us to process. We worked hard at it and there wasn't any good meat wasted. Mother and I have had to stop doing it but we miss being able to.
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Mary Harriman
1890s
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Jessica Gifford
Albert Robison
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Clynn Howard Lee
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Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Helen A. Johns Linker
Early 1900's?
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Saskia Penn
If they were so desperately poor, how did they afford to have their photo taken in supposedly 1860s or 70s? I'm just curious
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Anneke Dubash
In the 1900s (this is likely 1910 or so), many people had cameras. They were not expensive. It was a popular hobby. And just because people had to hunt to feed themselves doesn't meant they were "poor". That was how people lived who didn't live in town. There were no supermarkets in the middle of the bush.
Nov 11, 2014 ·
Serena Williams
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This is later than that. We can't tell if these men were poor or rich, but we do know that it was winter and they didn't have a grocery store (the only meat you ate you got for yourself). By the time this picture was taken, photography was getting less expensive and more available to people, but it also could have been taken by a photographer who just asked for them to pose.
Nov 10, 2014 ·
Sharon Rose Mollet Yost
In our family we ate "everything" and used the fur for warmth, the skin for clothes and that is how we lived a better life than NOODLES!
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Sheila Zimmer
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Yes..don't hunt...I'm sure the rightful owner of that bearskin rug was the bear!!!
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Michelle Lynn
He got that bear before it got him
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Kerrie Taylor
Great bit of history
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Sherry Fitzsimmons
Looks like they may have the bear hanging from something, looks 1890- early 1900 hundred to me
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Tuddie Decroti
That's what I was thinkin .Cindy Baker.1886 to erly 1900.
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Christian Condrey-quintana
I'm thinking around the 1870s. Also, why get so upset about a picture that was likely taken over 100 years ago. Like it or not that is how we lived. No grocery stores back then, when nothing grew they ate meat.
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Eric Lakits
That's a very well trained bear to stand like that for a picture. 😜
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Deanna Mardis-Redfern
Clothes look like around late 1880s
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Ray Tammy Peoples
Some people would starve if they lived back then. I bet they would eat that bear if they were hungry enough and be glad to have it.
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Penne Powers Thomas
Not so sure about that, maybe they made jerky from the meat. Even today bear grease is touted for use in cooking, not because it's healthy, but because it makes food taste really good!
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Atia Maior
I don't think they ate the Bear. It was just for Fun, like shoot Buffallos only for Tongues.
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Penne Powers Thomas
How is that bear being held up? Even though their faces are not smiling in the pic I'm sure they are proud and happy they got this ol' big boy bear! Bear probably went a long way back then, ....multipurposed!
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Shona Fiona Janek
Poor bear 😕
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Pam R McGee
probably the 1880's
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Dorrene Lynn- Pierce
It's a great picture. Shows how they put food on the table.
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Cindy Baker
My best guess would be 1866 or later since the rifle is a early Winchester with the solid brass trim
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Grace McVicar
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Beth Marsh Willis
This is horrible! Haven't we moved past glorifying the slaughter of innocent wildlife? Surely we should honor our ancestors, but not the shameful deeds they practiced in their evolutionary ignorance.
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Anneke Dubash
Well. Why don't you travel back in time and tell your ancestors to stop killing animals and starve to death because that was the only way to survive a long winter.

Fact. It isn't "glorifying" killing animals. It is presenting a fact of life. \grow up.
Nov 11, 2014 ·
Catherine King
I agree. At last someone sensible.
Nov 06, 2014 ·
Nancy Weaver
Maybe mid 1800s. Looks like the man next to the bear has a military shirt on. Just guessing.
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Norah Searle
This is awfully sad :-(
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Nancy Murray Marxen
A long time ago…. lol
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Frances Macias-Souza
Oh, hell yeah, Catherine King. It was men shooting from trains that almost drove the buffalo to extinction. It wasn't sport.....It was murderous target practice. Aren't we proud to be human?
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
RichardandJane Anclam
The men look so serious, note size of bear.......yep, be eating for a few days.
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Frances Macias-Souza
Here is the perfect place to use the word 'omnivorous'. Omni means everything, vorous refers to eating. Both bears and people are omnivorous. If it can be caught, we'll eat it.
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Cindy Tedder
Maybe late 1800's to early 19 hundreds
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Laurel Simmons Kelly
Great pic
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Susan James Harris
Look at the make of the gun. Might be able to tell that way.
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Regina Mitchell
Please this is life then ! Get over it .
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Catherine King
My god, wish you wouldn't show pictures like this. This is not what I liked this page for.
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Janet Gooden
:(
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Jacqui Garcia
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A shot in the dark, maybe mid 1930's / 40's
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Lisa Murdaugh
take that mans right to bare arms away ! lol
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Debbie Pedersen
Bearhunt in the winter when its slow and hibernates? Sickning.😕
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Martha Jo Bennett
Some areas, black bear do not go into deep hibernation. in the southeast for example, it is not unusual to see bear in the winter.
Nov 06, 2014 ·
Darla Hines
Back in those days, people had no choice but to eat what they killed.
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
RichardandJane Anclam
That's a bunch of baloney, They have a new gun, I live where bears are common. They don't make good eating. at least not on my farm, hunters do.
Nov 06, 2014 ·
Linda Beckett-Chapman
I know people had to have food and they used the skins etc, but it makes me sick in my heart to see pics like it is a 'trophy', I so hate killing things of any sort....
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Dean Rod
Hunting sucks.
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Maureen Bates
Oh...I love this picture....back in the early days, our pioneers made use of their animals that they killed....sometimes it was their only means of survival...they didn't go out and kill wildlife,just for a thrill. They needed everything that they [external link]'s called surviving...
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Penni Anne Meador
Sharing.,,
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
April Browning
The question wasn't about the bear at all. It was when was the picture probably made. I'd would say late 1800s into 1900s. The bear was probably shoot fir food and seeing how it's winter in the picture the family probably could use the meat.
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Kristin Gaffney Roca
Maine?
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Emily Faye Bryant
It's a photo from a different Era people. Small bear or not that family ate well from it and had some nifty stuff from the hide, claws, and teeth. I think people forget that unlike today, this wasn't sport it was survival.
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Shawn Poole
Eeee , sometimes bears get even , today on the news in Kodiak Alaska a group of bears attacked a hunting party
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Iva A. Green
Late 1800's early 1090's is my guess
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Meg Bolton Scott
Poor bear.
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Paul Famiano
1880-90's? I agree, must be a young bear!
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Frances Macias-Souza
The bear is not standing up. He's dead. He's hanging up. Since bears eat people I guess it's ok for people to eat bears. But I think hunting bear should be done with an axe and knife, or a sword. It's more equal than a rifle.
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Catherine King
Well they call it sport. More like murder.
Nov 06, 2014 ·
Catherine King
Hunting wasn't only used for food . It was for sport too even back then unfortunately
Nov 06, 2014 ·
Pat Rowland Carothers
This was taken over a 100 years ago. Hunting any animal was for food, and the hides were used, also.
Nov 06, 2014 ·
Frances Macias-Souza
In other times Galina Galina Alexander people did, indeed, munch bears.
Nov 06, 2014 ·
Julia Samantha W
bears are eaten , its not sad its for survival
Nov 06, 2014 ·
Heather Hills Deaton
Yes now they are but in the vintage photo I am sure every bit of that was eaten and its fur for something !! Wow people lighten up..
Nov 06, 2014 ·
Galina Alexander
Bears DON'T eat people; nor do people eat bears, who are never hunted for food, they are hunted for fur and trophy hunting. How ignorant.
Nov 06, 2014 ·
Megan Stopera
Sad.
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Giusy De Stefanis
Sad picture.
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Claudia Randolph
In early days, bears were eaten and a great source of protein. All of the bear was used for various uses. Currently, The black bear is hunted for food in Alaska.
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Debbie Barnhill
They did not waste anything. It also made a fine blanket or coat.
Nov 06, 2014 ·
Thomas Breen
Hhhm bear...
Nov 06, 2014 ·
Catherine King
God you sound like lovely people. "Not" 😳
Nov 06, 2014 ·
Kathy Pinna
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And don't forget bear grease for "hair gel"! :)
Nov 06, 2014 ·
Joann River Burnich
Even in recent times (the 60s) up in Troy and Libby Montana, there were people who swore there was no better shortening for making cookies (among other delights) than bear grease.
Nov 06, 2014 ·
Bill Manley
Pretty small bear...pathetic. couldn't of been less then Two years old..
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Lee Sanderson
no idea on the actual date.. but check the rifle in the picture. its in really good shape. almost new. check its date.. might take research but it will bound you very close on when the image was taken.
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Jane Yates
how is the bear staning up
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Verona Medhurst
Poor bear😣
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Anneke Dubash
Ditto for Catherine
Nov 11, 2014 ·
Anneke Dubash
Seriously, Verona. Applying your morals to an era where people had no choice about being all veggie is ludicrous. Did your GG-grandparents eat veggies through a hard winter? I doubt it. Get off your high horse.
Nov 11, 2014 ·
Verona Medhurst
Fair point jennifer,
I do feel sad when I see any dead animal, even when as you say its used for food and clothing,
I cant even watch many wildlife programmes as it shows animals killing animals, which I know is the circle of life, just feel sad😯
Nov 06, 2014 ·
Catherine King
That doesn't make it right though. You need to have compassion to make changes. You have to start somewhere.
Nov 06, 2014 ·
Jennifer Gail Woods
I hope you are a vegetarian...btw what sort of clothes do you wear or shoes....any leather? Coach is great leather products. Along with many other companies that make accessories that women and men use daily. I roll my eyes at comments like these because ppl who have so much compassion for animals that humans hunt and utilize do not realize how they use animal each day. Exactly the same way people who drive a car complain about oil drilling or even off shore drilling. Doesn't make sense. I feel sorry the bear but I know it was respected & not just left for dead. Not everything has to be bought in a store.
Nov 06, 2014 ·
Heather Hills Deaton
I'm sure his family used every bit of that bear..
Nov 06, 2014 ·
AncientFaces
I like how the dog even posed for the camera :)
Nov 06, 2014 · Reply
Douglas Kuhn
lol
Nov 07, 2014 ·
Sandy Rickey
dog was photoshopped in LOL
Nov 06, 2014 ·
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