Daniel & Joseph Budd, Civil War Missouri
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Daniel and Joseph Budd, Civil War Brothers. Both will die in the Civil War. Joseph, fighting with Merrill's Horse, died in "The Battle of Vassar Hill", July 18, 1862.
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in Putnam County, Missouri United States
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I would like to apologise.
I looked at those ribbons a number of times and found them too blurry to read.
After posting a number of grumpy comments, I went back and looked at the ribbons again...
And, they do, indeed, say “To Hell with Spain”...
I removed my comments and apologize for getting completely the wrong end of the stick.
I looked at those ribbons a number of times and found them too blurry to read.
After posting a number of grumpy comments, I went back and looked at the ribbons again...
And, they do, indeed, say “To Hell with Spain”...
I removed my comments and apologize for getting completely the wrong end of the stick.
However, Mark Nichols brings up an excellent point - the original post states the photo was taken in 1862 in Putnam county, Missouri, while the actual photo says Parsons, KS - Likely the original submitter knew about the 2 Budd brothers in their ancestry, and assumed this photo was them. But Mark posted several excellent reasons why this can not be them.
The two soldiers are wearing "To Hell with Spain" "Remember the Maine" ribbons from the sinking of the Maine in 1898. These are probably from the 2nd Regiment of a National Guard unit where the uniform style (kepi and blouse) and insignia would be appropriate for the time. In the original photo you can see this is a cabinet card which was produced after the civil war time period. If this was taken in the early 1860s it would have been a carte de visite. J.W. Kerr, Parsons Kansas whose imprint can be seen on the original was a photographer in Parsons, Kansas in 1898. This boils down to a case of misidentification attributed to the Budd brothers.
Ree Young
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The misidentification could also be why these two do not really resemble brothers.
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Mark Nichols . . You Sure Know Your History ! ! Brilliant ! ! 👏
Indian War Period
He's wearing a 1880's US Infantry hat badge and the 5 button sack coat is also Indian War period
He's wearing a 1880's US Infantry hat badge and the 5 button sack coat is also Indian War period
Bob Wayne Underdown. Excellent detective work! Apparently, the photos are misidentified.
Since they were so young, and did not live until the Spanish-American War, could the uniforms be military school uniforms or local militia uniforms and not regular army issue?
Yes, I was thinking that they could have been in a military school or local militia prior to the Civil War. Both schools and militias had their own uniforms which may have been of local design. Then, they enlisted in the regular army so they both had a service record.
Found this at the below website thru the add-on called Tineye.
3 BUDD, Joseph B. b: 1844 in Spencer.Co.KY d: Abt. 18 Jul 1862 in Battle of Vassar Hill, age18, S of Memphis, Scotland.Co.MO Note 11: 1862 Civil War; private, 2nd Reg of Merrill's Horse, Union.Army Note 12: Abt. 18 Jul 1862 Killed, 18y, chasing Col. Porter, Battle of Vassar Hill, Scotland.Co.MO.
3 BUDD, Daniel W. b: 1846 in Linton area Vigo.Co.IN d: 1862 in Douglas.Co.MO; smallpox, U.Army Note 11: Died from Smallpox, age16, Union Army.
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3 BUDD, Joseph B. b: 1844 in Spencer.Co.KY d: Abt. 18 Jul 1862 in Battle of Vassar Hill, age18, S of Memphis, Scotland.Co.MO Note 11: 1862 Civil War; private, 2nd Reg of Merrill's Horse, Union.Army Note 12: Abt. 18 Jul 1862 Killed, 18y, chasing Col. Porter, Battle of Vassar Hill, Scotland.Co.MO.
3 BUDD, Daniel W. b: 1846 in Linton area Vigo.Co.IN d: 1862 in Douglas.Co.MO; smallpox, U.Army Note 11: Died from Smallpox, age16, Union Army.
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Ree Young
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The uniform collar does compare with the ones for the Spanish-American War.
The picture below is from this site: [external link]
Ree Young
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The uniforms fit with the Spanish-American War, not the Civil War, and the imprint on the original is that it was done by a photographer who was in Kansas in 1898.
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Carol Kelling Anderson Did they recycle dead people for the SA War, too?
Both died in 1862... DURING THE CIVIL WAR. One was 16 when he died. It couldn’t be earlier than the Civil War because they didn’t enlist toddlers and it couldn’t be later because they were long dead.
I’m not sure how anyone is dreaming up the various wars
Both died in 1862... DURING THE CIVIL WAR. One was 16 when he died. It couldn’t be earlier than the Civil War because they didn’t enlist toddlers and it couldn’t be later because they were long dead.
I’m not sure how anyone is dreaming up the various wars
Ree Young They aren’t wearing the uniform. They are only wearing the caps.
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The Civil war sack coats were 4 button, generally, while these are 5 button.
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Civil War uniforms were recycled for the Spanish American War.
Ree Young Starched collars were worn for quite a number of decades. My grandfather wore starched collars and. Died in 1945. He was born in 1889.
Kevin Skoglund
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Anneke Dubash The two soldiers in the photo did not die during the Civil War. The uniforms worn by them are much later. I not debating that the two Budd brothers died during the war but the photo is not of them no matter what someone posted on the internet.
Post Civil War. The 5 button sack coat was not adopted until after the Civil War, and the crossed rifle insignia was not adopted by the U.S. Army until 1875.
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AncientFaces Aware. I’m one of five siblings with a sister who looks nothing like me. And vice versa.
I have 5 cousins in one family - the first 3 girls looked nothing like each other: features, hair color (brunette, red head, blonde), everything different. Genes can vary greatly - even within a family!
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Janet Harder They died in 1862... One died of wounds receceived in battle and the other of Smallpox. That’s DURING THE CIVIL WAR. They are clearly not wearing Spanish American War uniforms because 1) they were dear before the SA War and 2) because the SA War uniforms didn’t look like that.
And since the ribbons are too blurry to actually read, basing the entire premise that it is SA War-era not in what they are actually wearing but an out-of-focus ribbon is nonsensical.
And since the ribbons are too blurry to actually read, basing the entire premise that it is SA War-era not in what they are actually wearing but an out-of-focus ribbon is nonsensical.
Because the ribbons refer to the sinking of the Maine, which happened much later. Apparently National Guard units used the Kepi caps.