Daniel & Joseph Budd, Civil War Missouri

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Daniel and Joseph Budd, Civil War Brothers. Both will die in the Civil War. Joseph, fighting with Merrill's Horse, died in "The Battle of Vassar Hill", July 18, 1862.
Date & Place: in Putnam County, Missouri United States
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Ancient Faces
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The Budd brothers, circa 1862. They went on to fight in the Civil War - the outcome wasn't happy.
Apr 03, 2019 · Reply
Louis Newton
Occasionally I play at sharpening an old photo. Unfortunately, it sharpens the blemishes as well!
Apr 12, 2019 · Reply
Anneke Dubash
I would like to apologise.

I looked at those ribbons a number of times and found them too blurry to read.

After posting a number of grumpy comments, I went back and looked at the ribbons again...

And, they do, indeed, say “To Hell with Spain”...

I removed my comments and apologize for getting completely the wrong end of the stick.
Apr 04, 2019 · Reply
Lynda Locksley
Still cool photos of a time period long gone.
Apr 05, 2019 ·
Deborah Flores
Diana Nares comments are interesting
Apr 04, 2019 · Reply
Janet Harder
However, Mark Nichols brings up an excellent point - the original post states the photo was taken in 1862 in Putnam county, Missouri, while the actual photo says Parsons, KS - Likely the original submitter knew about the 2 Budd brothers in their ancestry, and assumed this photo was them. But Mark posted several excellent reasons why this can not be them.
Apr 04, 2019 · Reply
Mark Nichols
The two soldiers are wearing "To Hell with Spain" "Remember the Maine" ribbons from the sinking of the Maine in 1898. These are probably from the 2nd Regiment of a National Guard unit where the uniform style (kepi and blouse) and insignia would be appropriate for the time. In the original photo you can see this is a cabinet card which was produced after the civil war time period. If this was taken in the early 1860s it would have been a carte de visite. J.W. Kerr, Parsons Kansas whose imprint can be seen on the original was a photographer in Parsons, Kansas in 1898. This boils down to a case of misidentification attributed to the Budd brothers.
Apr 04, 2019 · Reply
Ree Young
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I was thinking about the same possibility since the uniforms seem specific to the Spanish-American War uniforms I ran across and not the Civil War ones.

The misidentification could also be why these two do not really resemble brothers.
Apr 04, 2019 ·
Carrie Gennette
Mark Nichols . . You Sure Know Your History ! ! Brilliant ! ! 👏
Apr 04, 2019 ·
Eibhlin Walsh-Boland
Colette Boland 👀
Apr 04, 2019 · Reply
Colette Boland
Billy Boland
Apr 04, 2019 ·
Eibhlin Walsh-Boland
Colette Boland Jaysus he's the stamp of him 😁
Apr 04, 2019 ·
Colette Boland
Eibhlin.. yerman looks like Billy after a few shcoops 😂
Apr 04, 2019 ·
Bob Wayne Underdown
5 button sack coat, Indian War period
Apr 04, 2019 · Reply
Bob Wayne Underdown
Indian War Period
He's wearing a 1880's US Infantry hat badge and the 5 button sack coat is also Indian War period
Apr 04, 2019 · Reply
Bob Wayne Underdown
I have some original Indian Wars Hat Badges
Apr 04, 2019 ·
Mark A. Hale
Anneke Dubash The photo is mislabeled, get over it.
Apr 04, 2019 ·
Sybil Willingham
Bob Wayne Underdown. Excellent detective work! Apparently, the photos are misidentified.
Apr 04, 2019 ·
Bob Wayne Underdown
Then I'd hate to say it, that's someone else. :(
Apr 04, 2019 ·
Bob Wayne Underdown
Apr 04, 2019 ·
Sybil Willingham
Since they were so young, and did not live until the Spanish-American War, could the uniforms be military school uniforms or local militia uniforms and not regular army issue?
Apr 04, 2019 · Reply
Janet Harder
The change in the cap insignia happened after the civil war,
Apr 04, 2019 ·
Mark A. Hale
Sybil Willingham No, mislabeled photo.
Apr 04, 2019 ·
Sybil Willingham
Yes, I was thinking that they could have been in a military school or local militia prior to the Civil War. Both schools and militias had their own uniforms which may have been of local design. Then, they enlisted in the regular army so they both had a service record.
Apr 04, 2019 ·
Jeff Moberg
Found this at the below website thru the add-on called Tineye.
3 BUDD, Joseph B. b: 1844 in Spencer.Co.KY d: Abt. 18 Jul 1862 in Battle of Vassar Hill, age18, S of Memphis, Scotland.Co.MO Note 11: 1862 Civil War; private, 2nd Reg of Merrill's Horse, Union.Army Note 12: Abt. 18 Jul 1862 Killed, 18y, chasing Col. Porter, Battle of Vassar Hill, Scotland.Co.MO.
3 BUDD, Daniel W. b: 1846 in Linton area Vigo.Co.IN d: 1862 in Douglas.Co.MO; smallpox, U.Army Note 11: Died from Smallpox, age16, Union Army.

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Apr 03, 2019 · Reply
Ree Young
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I can't see what the tags on their uniforms say, but the insignia on the cap is crossed rifles, meaning infantry. There's a number above for the regiment and a letter below for the company.

The uniform collar does compare with the ones for the Spanish-American War.

The picture below is from this site: [external link]
Apr 03, 2019 · Reply
Ree Young
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Anneke Dubash If you read some of the other comments, especially the one below by Mark Nichols, you will see that apparently this photo has been misidentified by someone, possibly in the family or otherwise.. It isn't likely that these two men are the Budd brothers.

The uniforms fit with the Spanish-American War, not the Civil War, and the imprint on the original is that it was done by a photographer who was in Kansas in 1898.
Apr 04, 2019 ·
Anneke Dubash
Carol Kelling Anderson Did they recycle dead people for the SA War, too?

Both died in 1862... DURING THE CIVIL WAR. One was 16 when he died. It couldn’t be earlier than the Civil War because they didn’t enlist toddlers and it couldn’t be later because they were long dead.

I’m not sure how anyone is dreaming up the various wars
Apr 04, 2019 ·
Anneke Dubash
Ree Young They aren’t wearing the uniform. They are only wearing the caps.
Apr 04, 2019 ·
Ree Young
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Anneke Dubash The Civil War uniforms did not use upright shirt collars or the folded-down jacket collar for the uniforms. Even though starched collars were common men's wear, these are specific uniforms and would not necessarily follow current civilian fashion.
Apr 04, 2019 ·
Janet Harder
The Civil war sack coats were 4 button, generally, while these are 5 button.
Apr 04, 2019 ·
Ree Young
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Carol Kelling Anderson The Civil War ended in 1865. The Spanish-American War began in 1898. Regardless of what war these brothers were in, I doubt that the Army stockpiled old Civil War uniforms for 3 decades in case of another war.
Apr 04, 2019 ·
Carol Kelling Anderson
Civil War uniforms were recycled for the Spanish American War.
Apr 04, 2019 ·
Anneke Dubash
Ree Young Starched collars were worn for quite a number of decades. My grandfather wore starched collars and. Died in 1945. He was born in 1889.
Apr 03, 2019 ·
Kevin Skoglund
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100 % NOT Civil war era.....Span Am war probably
Apr 03, 2019 · Reply
Mark A. Hale
Anneke Dubash The two soldiers in the photo did not die during the Civil War. The uniforms worn by them are much later. I not debating that the two Budd brothers died during the war but the photo is not of them no matter what someone posted on the internet.
Apr 04, 2019 ·
Mark A. Hale
Post Civil War. The 5 button sack coat was not adopted until after the Civil War, and the crossed rifle insignia was not adopted by the U.S. Army until 1875.
Apr 04, 2019 ·
Susanne Anctil-Huntington
If you look good, you can see everything looks alike except the eyes. I think they are brothers. Beautiful photo.
Apr 03, 2019 · Reply
Linda Dice Waters
They don’t look at all like brothers to me.
Apr 03, 2019 · Reply
Elizabeth McBride
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My brothers look nothing alike and they are DNA documented full brothers. Looks mean nothing.
Apr 04, 2019 ·
KellieAnne Foreman
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you obviously failed to look at their ears ... Im 5's and my sister is 6feet
Apr 03, 2019 ·
Linda Dice Waters
AncientFaces Aware. I’m one of five siblings with a sister who looks nothing like me. And vice versa.
Apr 03, 2019 ·
AncientFaces
I have 5 cousins in one family - the first 3 girls looked nothing like each other: features, hair color (brunette, red head, blonde), everything different. Genes can vary greatly - even within a family!
Apr 03, 2019 ·
Becky Kelly
Love these old pictures.
Apr 03, 2019 · Reply
Barrett Young
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This is not a American Civil War photo, because on the kepis they have the crossed rifles. During the Civil War the hunting horn would have been used
Nov 09, 2015 · Reply
Daniel Pinna
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Thank you Frank for sharing such a wonderful photo - it led me to research the battle of Vassar hill.
Apr 19, 2013 · Reply
Anneke Dubash
Janet Harder They died in 1862... One died of wounds receceived in battle and the other of Smallpox. That’s DURING THE CIVIL WAR. They are clearly not wearing Spanish American War uniforms because 1) they were dear before the SA War and 2) because the SA War uniforms didn’t look like that.

And since the ribbons are too blurry to actually read, basing the entire premise that it is SA War-era not in what they are actually wearing but an out-of-focus ribbon is nonsensical.
Apr 04, 2019 ·
Janet Harder
Because the ribbons refer to the sinking of the Maine, which happened much later. Apparently National Guard units used the Kepi caps.
Apr 04, 2019 ·
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