Daniel Tobin family, Hackbridge London

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A photo of Daniel Tobin and family of Hackbridge London.

I found this picture in an antique shop in Penetangushene Ontario in July of 2009. On the back is written "Mr. Tobin and family Hackbridge" The only Hackbridge found on a google search is a subway stop on the London underground. The 1901 census shows the following family that are a good match for the older children in the photo. It helps that in the photo they have arranged the older child in order of age. Daniel and Jessie married in 1885 and by 1901 had 7 children. The photo has 15, so 8 more have been born. At an average of one every two years this picture was probably taken around 1917. Daniel was born in 1867 and so was 50. My guess is that the picture may be around 1920 as the boys who were enlistment age do not have their uniforms on and some of them were likely in the war. It being over at the time of the picture meant they were dressed in civilian clothes.
The back row can probably be named accurately in this way;
right to left: Matthew, Jessie, Daniel, Caroline, William, then Annie. Helen is sitting in front of Matthew. The other children will have to be named when the 1911 and 1921 census' show the family. One of them must have had family that moved to Canada for the picture to end up here. Daniel Tobin is the father. Jessie (Bennett) is the mother. I hope a Tobin who recognizes the census lists below will find this picture. Below are some census records and a birth and marriage reference for the Daniel and Jessie. Blaine Scott Midland ON [contact link]
1901 census England civil parish Bernondsey Ecclisiastical parish St. Mary Magdelen
ward 2 The Grange (street) #117 page 19 of 26
1 Daniel Tobin Head M 35 Coal Porter Worker born: London Southwark
2 Emily Jessie wife M 35
3 Matthew S 14 Vanguard Ca??r (Caonr?) worker
4 Jessie D 12 London Southwark (all children born there)
5 Daniel S 10
6 Caroline D 8
7 William S 5
8 Annie D 4
9 Helen D 1
Brother David also a coal porter listed in census.

1871 London St Saviour James Place
Matthew Tobin 34 Middlesex
Mary 33 Ireland
Michael 13
William 11
Daniel 4
Davey 2
Birth Reg Jan-Mar 1867 Daniel St. Saviour 1d 21
Daniel Tobin Jessie Bennett Marriage Reg: 1885 St. Olave Southwark 1d 520
Date & Place: in London, United Kingdom
People:
1867 - Unknown
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Updated Jul 28, 2015

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Ancient Faces
428 favorites
Great detective work with this 'orphan' photo!
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
John Tobin
2 favorites
Hackbridge railway station isn't part of the Underground or 'subway system'. It's a part of the overground railway network. Thanks for posting Tobin photo. My dad William Daniel Tobin was born in Bermondsey 1927. His dad was Daniel Tobin born 1891.
May 08, 2012 · Reply
Beverley Brayley
Amazing x
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Susan Newman
All incredibly turned out! No benefits then and only the men went out to work!
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Sonia Olivares
Lol, why is papa sitting. After all those births mama should have been seated.
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Brittanie Hardy Sidebottom
She is sitting, her skirt just hides the chair lol :-)
Jul 28, 2015 ·
Sonia Olivares
Thx
Jul 28, 2015 ·
Brittanie Hardy Sidebottom
You're welcome :-)
Jul 28, 2015 ·
Jill Brooke
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Not sure how they afforded 15 children in those days - I know there were a lot of big families in those days
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Jenniferann De Souge
The probably had a farm and most likely made their own clothes soaps and candles
Jul 28, 2015 ·
Susan Harrington
Exactly, Jenniferann -- in those days, you provided your own farm labor by having a big family.
Jul 28, 2015 ·
Karen Brown
As you say Jill, big families were common in those days, all the family pulled together, children had left school by 14 and helped bring money into the home, even the younger ones would have helped out
Jul 28, 2015 ·
Jenniferann De Souge
Nice looking family
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Rachael Rawson
She's sitting, her skirt hides the chair, and she does look tired!
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Lauren Dayna
Mom has a good reason to be tired, 15 children.
Jul 28, 2015 ·
Maria Martha Benoit Pieres
cuanto amor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Rita Parisi
Mama is seated next to Papa Sonia Olivares
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Carol Wheeler
15 kids ! Wow !
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Karen Mills
Something like the reality show "19 and counting" Huh?
Jul 28, 2015 ·
Carol Wheeler
Great photo 👍
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Teresa Provenzano
They are all so Beautiful......!! Set Of twins......Fantastic Photo......
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Kimberley A Smith-Cooper
Just amazing
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Kimberley A Smith-Cooper
They all look so pretty and debonair
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Harlan Alberts
Which one is you Beverly
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Marilyn Short Dauw
poor woman
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Marie Beugnot
Ce fut une belle famille (y)
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Ash Trevino
Is there anyway possible to put pictures like these in color?
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Teresa Regenold
Love the photo. Wow so many kids.
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Agata Maibach
this couldn't be 1920, is about beginings of the century. the clothes and the woman hair style say it.
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Ree Young
I agree it wasn't taken in 1920. My parents were were born in 1902 and 1909, and I've seen photos of the clothing styles in family photos.

7 kids were born by 1901, 8 more came after that, and the two little girls look to be around 2 years old. There's no reason why this woman couldn't have had a child every year; it only takes 9 months to produce a child, and a woman can get pregnant not long after the birth. So, add 8 more kids to the 1901 for the first 7, and that takes you to 1909. Add 2 years for the little girls' age, and you've got 1911. Plus, the girl and boy sitting in the small chairs next to their parents could have been fraternal twins. They look to be close to the same age. So even if the mother had a half a year between some births, that would still only get you to around 1912 or 1914. And that fits the clothing and hair styles much more accurately. By 1920, clothing styles had changed quite a bit.
Jul 28, 2015 ·
Karen Mills
Ree Young, you have not allowed for possible miscarriages, which were common in thst era
Jul 28, 2015 ·
Ifbert Realmgren
I don't understand how this picture absolutely could not be from the beginning of the twenties. Seven children look old enough to have been born by 1901, and the other eight look young enough to have been born after 1901 by 1920. Then there's the record of twin Tobin girls being born in 1920, which would place this photo later, actually. Taking into account possible miscarriages, it all adds up to me.
Jul 28, 2015 ·
Agata Maibach
The reason is the clothes and the hair styles. They aren't from the 20'.
Jul 28, 2015 ·
Summer Slate
Also though many families in rural areas did not always keep with current styles.
Jul 28, 2015 ·
Agata Maibach
Thats could be, but is a difference of twenty years, with so much different stylings...
Jul 28, 2015 ·
René Victor Eschapasse
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Elizabeth Eggleston Gordon
The amazing thing is..they survived through infancy and childhood to have a picture [external link] well as, they could afford to have it taken..
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Terri Whitt Vickers
In those days both in London & the USA families had huge families. They most all worked on the farm. It was quite common...
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Sandra Gamier
My husband's mother was one of twelve. Their father died pretty young. The young mother raised them on her own. Incredible woman.
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Rose Weiglein-Homerding Renner
what a nice family!!
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
R Joseph Vignati
Earlier than 1920 ! No later than 1910 !!!!!!!!!!
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Charli Jazmin
Things like this make me happy I have the option of the epidural and contraception. Once was cray cray loll but 15 times I may just have asked Jesus to take me Lol
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Alberto Rigotti Abadilla
With the clothing styles , this photo was taken in the early 1900s. 1920s styles were already modern.
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Marsha Hutchison
I agree.
Jul 28, 2015 ·
Vicki S Winkler
Not for poorer people, you wore your clothes or handed them down til they were reworked or made rags of.
Jul 28, 2015 ·
Alberto Rigotti Abadilla
The picture was at least between 1900 to 1910.
Jul 28, 2015 ·
Alberto Rigotti Abadilla
Family picture from the 1920s
Jul 28, 2015 ·
Guadalupe Cuenca Moreno
Of course I agree
Jul 28, 2015 ·
Sandra McLaren
Vicki - it wouldn't matter how poor you were you would not have the hairstyles that were 20 years out of date
Sep 09, 2015 ·
Terri Allen
Nice family photo.
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Karen Mills
For having 15 children and who knows how many miscarriages, the Mother looks rather nice and still young. You don't find that in women of the 20's.
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Patti Orlowski
Wow!! Good looking family!!
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Beatriz Misenta
This is a lovely photo. The faces all look so - today
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Rebecca Hill Higgins
Is it just me or does mother look particularly frazzled lol!
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Gloria Hansen
Neat, but that's a lot of kids!
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Sheila Henry
Amazing, time that travels with pictures and secrets.... lucky to have found these, photos, and jewelry.
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Karen Hall Cushing
Brian Cushing
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Roy Carol Candy
My word she had 15 children and look how thin she is ! Wow must have been exhausting !
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Carole Brooks Fowler
look at how well they are all dressed! Bless their Mama!
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Lela Gongliashvili
ჩვენი პატარა ქალაქი 💖
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Marion Mcclung
Geez mineez, and those are the ones who survived. Wonder how many they had all together. I wonder if this is a combined family or if the couple are the only parents of all of them.
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Charlie Pirie
Which one is Mel Mel Lacey then?
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Vicki Halligan-gabriele
Lib Tobin any relation lib?
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Lib Tobin
they look too normal to be our relatives ! Thanks I think Tobin is a common Irish name we were from DrOs neck of the woods by
Jul 29, 2015 ·
Lib Tobin
..Cork . T'anks for tinkin of me VG
Jul 29, 2015 ·
Astrid Marion Oesterreich
15 children. Whoa. I hope they had a long healthy life. Great picture.
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Jane Pedler
Wow...poor Jessie!
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Julia Parry-jones
Judging by the costume in this photo , I can't see how it can be 1920 costume is at least 10 years earlier ?
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Terri Baker
15 kids Omg
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Carole McWilliams Bearden
Omg
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Joan McCarty
nice looking family
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Dawn Witha Plessel
She looks so tired.
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Desiree Garcia
What a blessing
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Deborah Mobberly
I love this picture. All this was one busy mother. Thank God back then the older ones helped with the younger ones. They were all well dressed and looked good. The photographer did a great
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Glenda Burgess-Hodges
WOW
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Kimberly Smith
Amanda Childers Tobin wonder if it's part of your family
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Amanda Childers Tobin
Thanks for tagging me! I'll have to find that out!
Jul 28, 2015 ·
Tracey Helsham Gibbs
Bernadette Tobin
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Sandra Overstreet
Bless the mother heart
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Marianne Renn Leach
beautiful family
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Marianne Renn Leach
wonder if the children on their parent's laps are twins
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Nancy Rutman
Showing the rest of the photo mount would give more clues to this photo's age.
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Nancy Rutman
My thoughts: the family does not look British, urban, or from the 1920s. They look American/Canadian, rural, and 1908, give or take two years. It is largely a myth that poor folks' fashion lagged behind rich folks', especially when they were dressed in their best clothes for a portrait (which they could not have afforded if they were dirt poor anyway). The photo was found in a shop in Ontario, Canada, and without stronger evidence, I'd say this family lived in that vicinity.
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Vendetta Couture
There is a London in Ontario so maybe you are right about it's origins.
Jul 31, 2015 ·
Dawnmarie Perez
Amazing!!!
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Amanda Childers Tobin
Denise Tobin. Ask Jerome about this
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Pope McFoxtrot
Im too old to have a life like that
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Martha Burroughs
Lillian Russell Rubie Just our little family
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Lillian Russell Rubie
Holy cow!
Jul 28, 2015 ·
Barbara L. Miles
must have been a well to do family....all dressed very well.
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Mariann I. Bergeron-Foti
Duggar family ancestors lol
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Kevin Doherty
beautiful photo!
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Sharon Boehlert
15 children. Wow.
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Oriole Adams-Harris
Not 1920's more like 1900
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Gloria Haley
BEAUTIFUL FAMILY.
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Marlene Conley
Looks like children and grandchildren but who knows
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Brenda Wheatley
Nice family.
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Karen Dennison-Rogers
Your funny Michael Simpson
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Tess Stamell
I'm making Daniel Tobin approx 45 years of age and his wife Jessie pretty close by . That would make this photograph the latest 1912 . I agree w others - there is nothing 1920 about this photograph. Nevertheless . it is a Fantastic find :)
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Wendy Doughty
Definitely before 1920s, the clothing looks Edwardian
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Opal Rae Waters
15??? Im in pain hust considering that!
Jul 28, 2015 · Reply
Carol Kaiser Gilbert
Fascinating. I love old photos. I just can't imagine the hardship for that women.15 children ! Beautiful beautiful family
Jul 29, 2015 · Reply
Carol Kaiser Gilbert
There seems to be 2 sets of twins
Jul 29, 2015 · Reply
Rebecca Halverson
The photographer did a great job with this family. The lighting is good. Everyone is looking forward, good posture and you can see every face. Not easy to do with this many adults, let alone the children. And he did it with film. Great job!
Jul 29, 2015 · Reply
Becky Kelly
I love this picture.
Jul 29, 2015 · Reply
Brenda Thompson Davis
Beautiful looking family...15 children? The mother must have been exhausted. Lots of help from the older ones I suppose. Each child is so good looking!
Jul 29, 2015 · Reply
Mickey Stallone
So kewl ! Annies sister is married to a Tobin
Jul 29, 2015 · Reply
Elaine Rogers
Look at that poor woman. She looks completely exhausted. But her kids are in good shape.
Jul 29, 2015 · Reply
Clara Chapa
Nice picture
Jul 29, 2015 · Reply
John Geary
I love it.... The original 18 kids and counting..
Jul 29, 2015 · Reply
Desiree' Erhart
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The photo is so amazing .
Jul 29, 2015 · Reply
Carla Adams
Thank you for sharing plus the research.
Jul 29, 2015 · Reply
Bill Moen
All those dead faces! As Thackeray closed his novel, as I recall. Young or old, rich or poor, beautiful or not. . . .it makes no difference. . .now.
Jul 29, 2015 · Reply
Amy Alan
This photo suggests 1900's not 1920's. (My opinion). But this is GREAT work. Love the info discovered eith thr picture! (y)
Jul 29, 2015 · Reply
Blaine Scott
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Thanks for all the feedback. I see that this hit facebook just recently. Wow. I haven't had a chance to see the facebook effect until now. I posted the photo in 2009 and had only two replies until 2015.
Jul 30, 2015 · Reply
Ray Palmer
This seems to be the family as at 1911. The father was a Coal Porter (that's not a composer of musicals, by the way 😃)
Jul 31, 2015 · Reply
Joyce Patterson Goodstein
Thank you for sharing this wonderful album with us...thoroughly enjoyed it
Jul 31, 2015 · Reply
Marcia Carr
Terri I very much enjoy the old pictures you find and place on Facrbook.
Aug 01, 2015 · Reply
Rhea Glasper
I actually sold an old photo of my great grandmother as a child to an antique shop. I had many originals of the picture.
Aug 03, 2015 · Reply
Josiane Loilard
En ce temps là !! Les familles étaient soudées et les enfants respectaient leurs parents !! C'était merveilleux!! aujourd'hui dès que vous devenez un "poids" ils vous jettent !! :(
Aug 07, 2015 · Reply
Karin Passmore
Not 1920! This is circa 1905. "Edwardian".
Aug 13, 2015 · Reply
Susan Renier
Twins!
Aug 18, 2015 · Reply
Marion Moeller
15 kids
Sep 15, 2015 · Reply
Amy Breeden Johnson
Just awesome, 15 children whew
very nice looking family.
Oct 06, 2015 · Reply
Lisa Hanna
They almost qualify for a reality show.. :D
Jan 20, 2016 · Reply
Karen Dennison-Rogers
Dave must still be down the pub Michael Simpson
Jul 28, 2017 · Reply
Stacy Rizi
The picture is labeled circa 1920, the last five kids must have been born after the 1911 census.
Jul 28, 2015 ·
David Middleton
Name: Daniel Tobin
Marriage: Apr 1885 - St Olave Southwark, London
Jul 28, 2015 ·
Amanda Childers Tobin
Wasn't Mary jeromes moms name? Denise Tobin
Jul 28, 2015 ·
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