Statue of Jefferson, Virginia

Can't we all just express our support for the grief of the city?

Don't make it political 3 people died today

Germany should have left the Nazi flags up than?! Come on. South lost. Their cause is now synonymous with racism, even though it was more complicated.

Lincoln was a racist. Your point...

So by your logic Al Queda can fly their flags since they're blamed for 9/11. There can be serial killers statues erected because it's part of our history. Your false patriotism doesn't fool intelligent people; your a** is showing.

Linda Virtue Lincoln isn't a symbol of racism. This is about common associations. Jefferson also, while we know was flawed isn't a symbol of slavery. I'm all for talking about nuance and the realities of history. But in public spaces we should not have symbols of the confederacy.

Putting up or taking down a statue is not going to either erase history nor confirm that it happened. History is something every American should learn about...the real stuff, not the books written just by the winners or just by the losers nor just the parts of history some find more convenient. But you won't find the true history in a statue.

A piece of rock on a pedestal should not cost people their lives. Leave it up or take it down; that's not what's important.

Kathy King I have no idea what you're talking about. When the nazis fell they didn't keep the Nazi flags up for posterity. The confederates lost. They are now associated with racism. I never talked about a**** showing, I don't even know what that means.

Kathy King we absolutely should acknowledge history, but we shouldn't have monuments in public places that hurt our citizens and continue to separate us. They belong in museums.

Erin Kuchinsky, by making asinine comments such as these, you appear to have the exposed a**.

Jewel Thomas-Aukerman the Democrats and Republicans essentially switched as far as social issues and civil rights were concerned. I'm neither a democrat or a republican. I'm aware there were Black confederates, I'm aware this wasn't just about slavery. But it doesn't mean the statue confederate general who fought on the side of slavery belongs in a public or government area. It belongs in a museum. The confederate flag has come to be a symbol of racism. The south lost, as republicans like to say "get over it".

Tina Imel Should we abolish the Democratic party? They were the party of slavery.

Tina Imel "he Democrats and Republicans essentially switched as far as social issues and civil rights were concerned." Would you like to explain this a little further?

3 people died today so where are we going?

If they are going to a museum that's the perfect place for them .

Ffs. Tear down that big MLK monument.

No. People's experiences and stories tell us where we've been. These statues represent the lives of MILLIONS that suffered in ways we can't even imagine.
Our choices tell us where we are going.

MLK didn't support a war against the country he claimed to be a citizen of. He promoted Peace and never violence. You betray your underlining prejudice. Because the issue isn't a Black or White issue. Theorectically, the Civil War was about no man should be able to claim any HUMAN being as their property. That means Black, White, and anyone in between cannot be own by anyone!! Black slaves were just the visible proving point, because they happened to be the people claimed as property.
Some of you really need to read a book, and learn about the Abolitionist, their beliefs and principles. They were the real start and heros of the Civil War, and the ones who lit a fire under Lincoln's butt. Lincoln didn't like slavery, but was more concerned with the South's voting power in Congress.
The South were traitors, and they lost. They were on the wrong side of history, and remembered as such, but not glorified praised, or commemorated as such.

Just a couple of points: This is a statue of Thomas Jefferson, founding father and writer of the Declaration of Independence. No one is trying to remove it. Second: The controversy is over moving a statue of Lee, General of the Confederacy. In the South, several statues of Confederacy leaders are being removed from public parks and being put in museums - they are not being destroyed. I don't know what Charlottesville plans, but I'm pretty sure that it's not destruction.

Well said AncientFaces ❤️

AncientFaces They should not be removed either. Some of them have been there for over a hundred years!

I don't think these statues are worth human lives being lost. But you are entitled to your opinion of whether or not they should be moved.

To me. I wish the statue could stay as it represents hundreds of thousands who died during this period on both sides. It marks our history and is part of the culture of the people. So we should never forget.

"Casualties In The Civil War. At least 618,000 Americans died in the Civil War, and some experts say the toll reached 700,000. The number that is most often quoted is 620,000. At any rate, these casualties exceed the nation's loss in all its other wars, from the Revolution through Vietnam."

They belong in a museum. Who cares how long they've been there. There have been historical places torn down since there were more than one tribe on Earth. You can walk around the entirety of Philadelphia Pa, and see numerous signs telling of the first this/that/and the other thing that used to stand there a 100 years ago. Status are also moved frequently. Mayor Rizzo, and the Rocky statues have both been moved twice off the top of my head. I betcha a donut to a door knob, that status is coming down!! I'm sure half the American citizens don't have a clue to half the statues are, or why the memorial is even there.

Good heavens...statues are not history! History happened...it's not a piece of rock and it won't disappear if we don't have those pieces of rock! Take down every statue and symbol in the country, and we're still a country with a history! Do you think that you need to put up a statue of someone you've loved and lost in order to remember they existed, to have memories of good times???

I totally agree taking these wonderful historical monuments away is like walking into a local cemetery and desacrating your family's grave stones I wonder how everyone would like that this is part of our American heritage my 6x great grandfather fought in the civil war let's not desacrating his part of our American history if it wasn't for our veterans we wouldn't have the freedoms we have today

Would you want me removing your family's grave stones and placing them where you didn't want them would you want your families grave stones stuck in some old museum and get ignored let's be thankful of our American war history

How about just pro human? We don't all have to be the same,love the same,worship the same.Ir would be so boring if we were all similar

Before you post check your grammar

No time for snowflakes move along and melt away

*damn* and they were all already there. On BOTH sides.

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What does President Obama have to do with any of this? The snowflakes seem to be the ones whining about President Obama. The GOP controls the entire federal government, and over half of the states. This bs belongs solely on your current beloved president, the amoral thugs he surrounds himself with, and with you his supporters who put this dimwit in office. Like it or not you own this, President Obama is history.

Good grief. Americans are just commenting on Facebook. Clean your own house, lady. Your judgement of total strangers is pretty self serving. Looks like you've got quite a personal "hate" thing going yourself.

I typed up an explanation of what I meant, but then deleted it because you have done exactly what you accused me of doing...judging a stranger and demonstrating some personal hate of your own. I didn't judge anyone; just asked why people brought up politics and statues instead of of any show of sympathy for the lost lives.

But I don't have to defend myself to you. That's a waste of time. Perhaps it's your house that needs the cleaning.

Ree Young why are you mentioning President Trump in the same breathe as hate groups? Sounds like you are hating on him, therefore you are kind of being what you are describing. Please just stop. You seem yo have real hatred for a man you do not know, probably never met, but jumped onto the hate wagon that the media has created. Smh. Just stop!

Um...in case it escaped your notice, even Republican Congress members are questioning why Trump did not specify the hate groups in his Tweet but instead blamed both sides. Maybe you read David Dukes' remark on the violence in VA...that this sort of rally and the violence are why he and the hate groups voted for Trump. The connection is there. His supporters might deny it, but that doesn't change the facts.

I don't hate Trump though I certainly don't like him, yet people's characters are generally ascertained by their actions. That's what I go by. He is a sick man, clearly, but that doesn't excuse the damage he is doing to the country. The media didn't create any hate wagon. Try listening to recordings of his words, especially during his campaign speeches. Nobody made those up nor any of his Tweets where he insults, bullies, and threatens people who disagree with him.

But there's no point in saying anything else to you either because you still believe it's fake news despite his own words spoken in his own voice and his own Tweets written by him.

If you voted for him and are so pleased with the job he's doing, why not just sit back and let him do some more? Why defend him if he's doing so well? Surely, all the progress he's made speaks for itself, right?

So, go away and leave me to my dislike and terribly judgmental nature. But do not assume I hate Trump; I just pity him.

I don't pretend to be the moral authority (like you do)so I can say you come across as a hypocrite and a phony. You're giving more importance to statues than anybody.😂 Bye

Good on you Ree..agree with your words..sorry about your loss ❤️

Ree Young smh. I too have lost my most precious gift, my daughter. She was 26. This has made me more compassionate for people and life in general. Someone told me don't let this make you hard. I am sorry for your loss as I walk your walk as an angel mom as well. All I am saying is, show some compassion.

Compassion for whom? Those who hate others because of skin color, greed, religion, gender, ethnic background? Those who kill innocent people like the white nationalist and KKK? Compassion for a president who refuses to condemn what was done, who has spoken openly in rallies and interviews where millions of people have heard him (not fake news media!) of his bigotry and liking for violence and revenge?

Or compassion for those who defend and support and who voted for such a man in spite of his lies, deceit, and hatred? The people who tell me he's doing so well and it's everybody else's fault and who ignore the insults and blame he puts on everyone else? Those are the people I should have compassion for???

What if it were our lost daughters who were brutally run down while simply crossing a street in a place where they went to make their voices heard against bigotry? How compassionate would we have been?

Ree Young QUIT LABELING PEOPLE! That's God's job.

Who did I label?? I asked if I should have compassion for the people who belong to these groups, or to the president who has encouraged them in bigotry (you cannot deny that by claiming derogatory things about people's skin color or place of origin is not bigotry, and Trump has done it repeatedly. So don't tell me he hasn't. There's recorded proof.), or for the people who support Trump even knowing what he's said and done.

Where is there a single label?

And when did you get a direct line to God who told you what His job is or isn't? And before you quote me the Bible, remember that the Bible also says that owning slaves is okay, women should not cut their hair, that the husband owns everything including the wife, and that you had better not eat that pork chop! You can't cherry-pick what you want out of that book to "prove" you know God's will.

So, go away and try your deflection and poor excuses on someone else. I'm tired of it and won't waste my time responding to arguments that have no foundation.

No matter how bad the past was, if we forget and bury it, it WILL be repeated.
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