A photo of eleven year old Othat Martin, a Tipple Boy at Turkey Knob Mine, in MacDonald, West Virginia. Tipple boys spent their time separating the coal from the rubbish left over from mining.
Wvery generation talks about the good old days but in reality we don't have to work near as hard ergo we're on here. Read so many books on the coal mining days! That song 16 Tons sums it up well!
My Dad went to wok in a coal mines as a child. He only had a 1st grade education because he was the 2nd oldest in a family of 12 siblings. He worked until a timber fell on both feet at age 13 putting him out of the mines. A hard life for children and adults back then.
You just cannot imagine him having to go down in that black hole, cope with all of the immediate dangers and the ones that waited decades to catch up to them, can you?
Grandpa worked in WV coalmines, moved to Hamtramck, MI long enough to work at the Hupmobile factory, and to take this pic of Dad and Babe, then went back to the mines....passed away in 1962.
Mark Stohlin
Thank you, Dad was so proud of it he showed to people his whole life. Nearest I can figure, dad born in 1924, so it's 1928 or 1929.
Babes wearing Dad's sailor hat 🙌
Thank you. I continue his memory in sharing it when I can. Yes, strange as it may sound since I've known about it when I was a kid I have to remind myself how special this is.
Akin to a photo with Franklin Roosevelt or Charles Lindberg.
It really is a special thing. Thank you.
Yes my goodness that picture is definitely a kidney to a picture with a president or Charles Lindbergh. Most definitely. I'm so very happy for you that you have it what a precious keepsake.
Sadly, there were no child labor laws back then and children were abused, overworked and often died laboring for a few cents an hour.
I hope we never go back to this way of life, however, if safety laws & regulations are obliterated it could happen again.
Viki Rossi - there are political groups who work to obliterate laws they feel cost the government & companies money. They don't believe government should include departments - such as labor, safety or environmental protection - they feel they're a waste of tax dollars and are working to terminate them.
Vickie Duke Allen, the states are the ones that put child labor laws into effect. After the depression the feds signed in some protection. Wasn't that tough because adults were begging for jobs. The laws were in unison with public education. Couldn't find any folks trying to repeal any of these laws.
Vickie Duke Allen. Government agencies don't as much good as you think. Most are bloated and are buried in red tape. They cost way more than the good they do. If you ever reported anything to safety you would know what I am saying. They do vertually nothing. The good intentions are there at creation and then become money pits.
Unfortunately child labour is still around now Vickie Duke Allen - its very sad but children are still being exploited in many third world countries :(
The primitive lights they used down in the mines, I think. I'm fairly certain they couldn't use open flame lanterns for the fire hazard, but I could be wrong...
(Edit) I was wrong about open flames in use. That appears to be a metal sheathed wick jutting at an angle from a can that would hold fuel oil, for light to work by.
Greedy people just like we got now! This is why unions were formed. Most unions have been broken up now and soon all unions will be gone and we will be right back there. Just my opinion.
I bet he was proud of the work he did and wouldn't want to be pitied. Now we have generations of people that demand we feed, clothe and house them and their brats. It was a hard life, but they were builders and craftsmen. They could take care of themselves and their families. This bunch now can't do anything for themselves. My Grandfather worked in the mines at that boys age.
They had pride, respect, honor , self worth, and a sense of family back then. No brat kids no sense of entitlement and a very low obesity rate due to people getting off there a** and not blaming everyone else for the state they're in. It must have been hard but very satisfying.
I bet he was proud and I know what your saying Viki.
But I can't help but wonder about his limited outlook on life. I think exposing kids ( even back then) to music , art, and a good education might have elevated the community .
Lee Ann, I don't think they were limited on dreams. They built this country and made it possible for their children to get a formal education. What they knew as everyday education, was the abilty to think and survive on what was there. I don't think most could do that now.
I be live a good work ethic is what built this country that was once was great and now you can't even get your or anyone's child to even pick up after there self that what's wrong with this once great nation just my opinion
I know my grandpa got pulled out of school by the 5th grade to work on the family farm. He never learned to read very well, but that wasn't uncommon for the time.
I just showed this picture to my 9 year old son. I said this boy didn't get attend school most likely and probably didn't have a childhood like you or me. My son looked solemn and nodded. He is beginning to realize he is pretty lucky.
My compliments to you for sharing that picture with your son. There's so many people and children who have no idea just how good we have it in modern times.
Thank you Lona Honiahaka! I have been teaching and talking to my son about young children back in the turn of the century and showing them what their life was like and that we should NEVER complain about going to school and their life. I think these photographs on this site should be made bigger, like posters and hung in all schools across America with their story.
This makes my heart sad , but my grandad went to work like this at 11 on a construction site in another state 5 days a week came home on weekends only . Although i don't think children should be treated this way i can't help but think my grand fathers generation were such a resilient hardworking responsible generation who with little to no formal education started their own businesses and were quite intelligent and made honest livings taking great care of their families . So maybe a little hard work for our young is not so terrible cause we've gone to the other extreme . We got people in their 20s who can't make change . Just saying
Child Labor was ok nobody cared,I know all to well ,when I was 11 years old I had to climb under rail card to get coal,to make a fire in the stove.when the unloaded the cell down under.sad childhood.i had,still think about it.
I was born in Europe ,that's how people lived after the War,I am 71 ,terrible suffering,my parents were Alkoholics I was they're Caregiver.thank you for your comments,,I am in a group Healing from complex PTSD,deals with that.thank God for them.
My dad started working at 15 years of age because his mother died. They needed money because there were 6 children in the family. He only had an eighth grade education. He didn't work in the mines at that time he was a mechanic on a steam shovel. He worked hand shoveling coal into coal cars during the 30s depression. He and my mom had just married. Most of his life he operated a shovel around the mines not actually inside until we moved to San Diego in 1958.
Thanks Beth. Miss them. But the life they lived being kind, generous, hard working people that they were is always with me. Reminded of them everyday and it's wonderfully comforting.
Loved your parents also. What happened to those days?
Sometimes when my son complains about life, which is perfectly normal,I want to show him this, I know he won't be able to relate, but this is a horrible life for a anyone!
Child labor was because they could bring more money to the family. They were treated like dirt and paid hardly anything. And a lot died young from lung diseases. Not a good part of history.
My pap started when he was 8 years old. He wore his dads boots working on a different shift. He got a hole in one of them and his dad beat him for it....sad
I went to West Va last week for vacation & visited an exhibition mine. I had no idea that young children had to take a dad's place if he died in order to keep the housing for his family. So sad..such a hard life ...
Who made all the money while men worked the mines. Coal made men rich and coal mining men weak and sick the rest of their lives. There has to be a better product that KY, WV, PA, ETC. can make. These states need help to find a product. The thing is, at least in MY, no one cares once they are elected...remember McConnell. What's he done for Kentucky. Honestly what has he done.
You can see on his face that he was a very proud young coalminer! Determined to become a man early in life...maybe following his father's lead...or stepping in to help his family earn money after losing his father (?). Sadly...many children had to grow up very fast to help their families. This is a very proud young man.
I have family in West Virginia and for many years the best paying jobs for men and children were working in the coal mines or for the phone company. Even though it jeopardized their health to do so.
Please don't speak for this child. Nobody knows what he was thinking or feeling. I see sadness in his eyes. Every child deserves better. Stop glorifying the good old days, for some they were far from good.
My dad during the Great Depression stood on the corner selling newspapers. Didn't matter how hot it was or how freezing cold it was he was out there helping to support his family. I remember his stories of my grandma and grandpa and my dad and his sister having nothing to eat but beans or potatoes every single day for heaven knows how long. Such a terribly hard life it's almost inconceivable for the majority of us today
My father ( born in 1900) in Hawley PA could have worked in mines. I still have his betty lamp ( see the tiny thing hanging on his hat?) His grandfather came over from Ireland during the potato famine and worked the mines to pay off his ticket.
OK only the ones we started working at a young age we know how it feels like to work at that age and we have respect for everyone we are not like today's spoil brats thank you
Someone posted these kids were happy to do this. My Dad was so excited to work in the mines that he had someone forge his mother's signature in order to join the Navy, underage, during WWII.
My mom bought the west Virginia Coal at $19.00 a Ton!!West Virgina coal was the best she would say!in the 40s ! We lived in Indianapolis. I grew up there in the cold!! But I was born in Santa Barbara!!!!!
My Dad was a miner and took my 2 brothers to work with him to load cars. They got no education and worked at the age of 7or 8 yrs.old.this was in WV..Elmer Mike son of Henry and Haddie Michael changed to Mike.
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