A patron and her daughter handling a ration book

Tracy Antonelli it wasn’t only rationing. It was pull the black out curtains down in your home and lights off and you had better be off the streets when the siren sounded. These were drills practiced over and over in port cities. Philadelphia I know for sure.

Ree Donkerous yes...my grandmothers uncle lived in England and after the house he was boarding in was hit by an air raid he spent the last 3 years of the war with his bed in the living room...his upstairs room was destroyed. So drills in case of bombs being dropped on your house makes sense!

Tracy Antonelli where in the constitution? Don't be ridiculous.

Tracy Antonelli Personal freedoms only go to a certain point. Once they endanger others, your personal freedom ceases. It's been clear how people who insisted on their personal freedoms have caused surges in the virus. No one has the right to endanger your health or life, especially not for the sake of a big wedding, or out to dinner, or a rally with no masks or distancing. People died. That's not one of the freedoms we have...to infect others and cause sickness and death.

Every freedom listed in the Constitution has a limit. It's the only way a society can continue without mayhem, crime, and nothing to stop it.

Kathy Rehme 4th amendment for starters

Tracy Antonelli protects people from unreasonable searches and seizures by the government. The Fourth Amendment, however, is not a guarantee against all searches and seizures, but only those that are deemed unreasonable under the law.

Ree Young that is an opinion not science... for as many studies etc you site for your opinion I can site as many saying the opposite.... the constitution does not have" conditions" put in that give power to take that away. I have lived through several deadly viruses in this country and never had any of these unlawful mandates . Americans are pretty damn good at taking care of themselves and their families without government thinking they know better.. when in fact they have no facts that haven't been disputed !

Tracy Antonelli That's the right against seizure without a warrant and that warrants have to show probable cause.

Tracy Antonelli you need to reread that.

AncientFaces exactly how utterly unreasonable to be checking on people's Thanksgiving dinners.!! Give me a break.... if they only spent half as much time , media and enforcement on child trafficking maybe we would really be saving lives!

Tracy Antonelli WRONG! That's science.

Search and seizure...

Tracy Antonelli you can’t even use the correct word. It’s “cite,” not “site.” So pardon me if I don’t take health policy advice from the likes of you. Just put on a mask and practice social distancing, for pity’s sake. It’s literally the least you can do for your fellow humans.

Kathy Rehme wrong not science.... many studies not supporting that theory, by scientists all over the world.... the world was flat... that was science until science continued study and found no its round.... and that is how science works

Tracy Antonelli Let me know how you feel about this virus that's only an opinion when someone you care about is in the hospital on a ventilator or suffering from the long term effects afterward.

One of my neighbors had their entire family get COVID...adults, kids, and grandkids. Some lost their sense of smell and taste, and some, months later, can't get rid of a hacking cough. I'll have to remember to tell them how they're not really sick; it's just their opinion.

By the way, you have freedom of speech EXCEPT when it's libel, slander, obscenity, pornography, sedition, incitement, fighting words, classified information, copyright violation, trade secrets, food labeling.

All the freedoms in the Constitution are limited "if they harm the public interest."

Todd Garrison you take your health care advice from whoever you want...I will do the same... that's how it works in America... freedom to make our own decisions... glad you know how to spell...bet it will get you far in this life!

Tracy Antonelli don’t fall prey to these commies! I have your back and you are 💯 correct

Tracy Antonelli okay, let’s see. A large number of Americans are doing just what you recommend: nothing. And we have over 250,000 dead and ever escalating rates of infection. Newsflash! Your way ISN’T WORKING! I’m guessing you have no experience with either Constitutional law or epidemiology. So take a seat, because this kind of ignorance is literally killing people.

Tracy Antonelli I am betting no police officer will be willing to do so. Most police are ex military and respect their oaths. I believe police officers take pretty much the same oath.

Tracy Antonelli everyone doing whatever the hell they feel like doing is not how adults behave in a pandemic. Unless they want more people to die.

Tracy Antonelli try reading some history. Freedoms were curtailed: we locked up Americans of Japanese descent in camps. Because of fuel shortages, travel was restricted. Many areas had curfews and were required to blackout at night. There was some censoring of media as well

If YOU are that concerned about YOUR health and the health of your family, then stay home. Buy a proper mask to wear and stay 10 feet away. Have your groceries delivered. Your fear of living with a disease that has, what, a 90% survival rate should not force those who would rather live without the fear, to live your way... it really is just that simple.

Ree Young ok... in Feb my friend who lives with me caught H1N1 flu....he ended up in the hospital 27 days ....15 days in the ICU on a ventilator!!! He was as close to death as you can come... told to me by the doctors..he made it and when he got out months of rehab at home...I was there everyday of it all. The doctors told me that there was an epidemic in US at that time but never heard it on the news....AND NEVER SAW ONE PERSON WEAR A MASK TO PROTECT HIM FROM GETTING THE FLU...WHICH IS DEADLY EVERY YEAR TO MIN.TENS OF THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS!!.If everybody who says just wear a masks and protect others I expect to see you all continue to wear them for all viruses that are deadly that you would infect someone else with. So get use to them cause obviously your belief in them makes you have to continue to wear them to protect your fellow citizens.

Tracy Antonelli okay then, the next time you have surgery, just tell the OR staff you don’t want them wearing masks or gloves or washing their hands. See how that goes for you, and come back here to let us know.

Todd Garrison newsflash your way isn't either. Why.... because it's a virus and can't be stopped....as one epidemiologist said way back in March.." the same amount of people who were going to catch it will catch it".

Todd Garrison 99.97% recovery rate.... face reality

Tracy Antonelli we live with laws every single day. The limits on how many in a building is limited by fire code for public safety, the same as for communicable disease at the present time. It's also there for traffic in stop signs, one way streets, speed limits, etc. Then we have taxes that are mandatory. We have mandated public education. We have mandated restrictions on noise levels in our homes that impact the community. There are many for public safety. The current needs for public health safety is temporary and is no different than in 1918 during the pandemic. Be glad you have some people who care about your life and the lives of loved ones.

Tracy Antonelli

Todd Garrison you can’t argue with selfish people. Funny how they’re always the first to demand care or complain things aren’t open when they’re doing everything in their power to prevent life returning to normal.

Kathy Rehme , wow.

Tracy Antonelli my father and all of my uncles fought in WWII to defeat Nazi Germany, yet this country allows Nazi products and behaviors here in this country. Fight against that. It's far more dangerous than trying to contain a virus that will kill millions if not contained. I'm sure my father and uncles were against the Nazis then and now. Even Germany outlaws anything Nazi.

Laura Hunt yeah so let's do that again.. internment camps...I guess before we go down the history road let's talk about the elephant in the room....It was a world war! Not a virus.... and internment camps was also a horrible mistake on the government's part .. wouldn't you agree?

Doc Campos these are not laws.... legislators are the only ones that make laws... these are mandates not laws...

Doc Campos virus has 99.97%. Recovery it will not kill millions in this country with that rate....

Todd Garrison , because policing someone’s grammar has everything to do with this situation. 🙄🙄 Stay salty.

Tracy Antonelli for heaven’s sake, do you have to make a big deal out of a piece of cloth? Can you just wear a mask and TRY to help others get through this? Do you wear a seatbelt? We didn’t have to for years and they make you do it now. Does it hurt you anymore than wearing a mask?

Linda Fasake. Notice how they attack like a pack of wolves

Doc Campos public education is optional... you can choose home school... private school religious schools...do not mix up laws made and passed by our representatives in state and federal legislatures and these mandates decided on by a governor or mayor... they are not laws

Tracy Antonelli well, you do realize that we also used to quarantine people too? Anything contagious (measles, flu, TB, scarlet fever...etc) they curtailed your freedom by pasting a sticker on your door, and you were housebound. No exceptions. That’s why TB testing is still mandatory for jobs, schools and even cattle are tested. You really need to do some reading before making a fool of yourself again.

Qtippers only have freedoms. Zero duty or responsibility for the people

Cindy Sue Glinda the good witch❤

Tracy Antonelli I’m 72 years old, how many deadly viruses did you live through that I missed? This is the most deadly virus I have ever seen and people need to get serious about it and wear a mask. If you don’t want to, please stay away from others

Todd Garrison She'd be putting up Christmas lights during the Blitz, saying it was her right to do so and that most of town wouldn't get bombed.

Tracy Antonelli whether it is laws or mandates, this is for the public safety because people are too selfish to do what is necessary on their own. Many of the posts, as is yours, evidence of that.

Tracy Antonelli Oh, good grief.This is an old record. Just wear a f-ing mask. PEOPLE ARE DYING!

Ree Young I notice apparently all your neighbors recovered??

Tracy Antonelli why do you say not wearing a mask harmed your friend if you don’t believe they help?

Tracy Antonelli you’re probably against vaccines too aren’t you? Don’t want to be told to get one?

Tracy Antonelli The news is that wearing a mask has been found to protect the wearer, too. Maybe you didn't read or hear that news.

"For some who recover from COVID-19, symptoms like fatigue, shortness of breath, muscle pain, confusion, headaches and even hallucinations are among the growing number of issues survivors face following the illness.

“Individuals recovering from COVID-19 may struggle with a number of respiratory, cardiac and kidney problems,” warns Laurie Jacobs, M.D., chair of the Department of Internal Medicine at Hackensack University Medical Center. “They also have an increased risk of blood clots, which can potentially lead to a stroke or heart attack.”

Some of the long term effects being seen are heart Trouble, brain and neurological problems, lung trouble.



H1N1 was an influenza virus. In the US in a year, 12,469 people died from it.

COVID is not the flu. It is more contagious than the flu, and in less than a year over 257,000 Americans died.

That's some differences between H1N1 and COVID.

Some social media posts "claim that 99.94% to 99.97% of those who catch Covid-19 recover. This is incorrect.

"This is likely based on estimates of how many people have died after catching Covid-19, but gives a figure for the death rate that is far too low. Additionally, it’s wrong to say that anybody who hasn’t died from Covid-19 has “recovered”, because some patients remain ill for a long time."

With COVID, "not dead" does not mean "recovered."

Tracy Antonelli 407,000 Americans total died from WWII. We are headed for numbers of deaths far larger than that due to ignorance, selfishness and stubborn people who will not understand the needs of a pandemic communicable disease protocol. Those unwilling to do this to save lives are the enemy at this current time. It's people like that who will kill more than 407,000 American citizens. It doesn't have to be a war, a pandemic can kill as many or more due to selfishness.

Tracy Antonelli Violating a state mandate for emergencies like COVID is a second class misdemeanor, and you can be arrested.

Tracy Antonelli wtf? You think they are going to seize your turkey and dressing?

Tracy Antonelli stfu🤣🤮

Linda Fasake shaving your head next?

Tracy Antonelli you are digging yourself a hole. Maybe you should also sign a waiver not to be treated in a hospital if you get seriously ill from COVID-19 from being irresponsible and promoting irresponsibility? That way you do not endanger our healthcare workers.

Tracy Antonelli You are sadly mistaken. You nut jobs on the fringe of the already whacko right need to apologize to America...on your knees.

Doc Campos weirdo

Linda Fasake says the Nazi who still supports Trump/Pence.

Doc Campos , those ignorant to history are the ones with the loudest mouths. Germany was a land of historical monuments and statues. In the name of “sensitivity” Hitler destroyed them. He had books banned and burned. The only history he wanted remembered was his version. He destroyed traditional police departments and replaced them with his own “police.” Riots, violence and destruction were rampant. If you can pull yourself away from Google and avail yourself to real history books you might learn something. Take a hard look at which side resembles Nazis.

Ree Young , oddly the governors and mayors laying down such laws do not follow said laws. When those in power refuse to follow the restrictions they impose you, you should be concerned.

Lisa Jane damn right I’m salty. If someone claims to know the law and public health better than the experts, I have no issue calling out their misuse of a simple word like “cite.” If someone can’t make that distinction, who are they to insist we should listen to them about life and death matters? We are literally talking about her sort of wide-ranging ignorance influencing public policy (and vice versa), leading to a ever-worsening health crisis. It’s time to shut down ignorance, not indulge it.

You stay salty too, hon. 🙄

Lisa Jane not sure what you are getting at here. I know the history of Hitler. I used to teach the psychology as a college instructor of how he accomplished what he did. I also am a Jew, so yeah I know the history. My father was at Dachau. In addition, I lived in Germany, so your ridiculous extrapolation is just that, ridiculous.

Nici Kobrowski , when the government overreaches it’s time to take notice. When leaders dictate how many family members may have at your home, how long they may stay, ( Because COVID knows if you visit more than two hours,) forces you to have your celebrations outside, gives you permission to allow family to use your restroom, forbids singing, praying and chanting even with the use of masks, there’s a huge issue. When the government closes your business by force there is a problem. In PA people now have to wear masks in their own homes if family members visit. It is one thing to follow common sense rules. It is another to give in to tyranny. Worse, the people making the rules for you /us aren’t following those rules themselves. You might be just fine with this. Don’t expect everyone else to be.

Lisa Jane oh, I get it. You’re a right-wing, never-masker, own-the-libs troll, just like Tracy. Bless your heart. 💙

Doc Campos , you’re the one in full lockstep. You’re among those few in the US who cannot discern between common sense sanitation/ disease spread prevention from a complete erosion of constitutional rights. This meme is far closer to you than you realize. You live as you must. Everyone else will do the same. We do not ask for nor require the permission of sheep.

Tracy Antonelli you are mistaken. The ignorance of how this virus works is going to kill at least 1 million people. Look at what is happening in South Dakota after the motorcycle rally. The increase was too much for the hospitals, so the needs are greater than the resources which then caused a higher rate of death. Exactly what is going to happen across the country as hospitals are at capacity.

Vickie Hatton Smyers who is "they"? Your fellow American citizens. Stop acting like you are in a high school cliche. Or maybe you are.

Shennondoah Og hope you don't end up in the 10%

Tracy Antonelli 260k already

Doc 'They' are exactly what I said 'they' are. Like a pack of ravening wolves.

Ree Young , tell me. How far do those rights extend for those burning businesses and destroying everything in sight? Innocent people including law enforcement are being attacked. First responders are being attacked. Stores are being looted and destroyed. People are seriously injured and killed. Do you have a problem with such criminal acts? If they are wearing masks do they receive a pass? ** Since you and so many of your ilk enjoy lecturing the rest of us on how our Constitutional rights only go to a “certain point, “ I would love your opinion on disease prevention protocol when one is in the process of engaging in criminal behavior. We know you are opposed to large weddings but how does the rest of that play out in your head?

Vickie Hatton Smyers best you can do is vague. SMH

Lisa Jane Lisa Jane grow up. You are self indulgent. I worked in epidemiology as one of the experts in our community for many years. I have a PhD in research. I believe I do know what is right for communicable disease protocols and it's not the ignorance of people like you that I would recommend.

Danielle N. Lindley , how is life going to return to normal, and when? Thankfully there is a vaccine within our reach. Had there not been such a breakthrough how long would have you demanded the use of masks and lockdowns? During outbreaks of polio, TB, German Measles and other deadly communicable diseases the sick were quarantined. Healthy people were not. People followed sanitation protocol but all people weren’t wearing masks. COVID can enter your body through your eyes. Now what? Full facial shields? People are getting sick from masks. It’s a Petri dish sitting on your face.

Lisa Jane I actually work in academic medicine surrounded by brilliant, world class researchers. They all wear masks, socially distance, and we work from home whenever possible. I’ll take my medical advice from them, thanks.

Todd Garrison , I’m not salty at all. There are health experts who disagree with you. I suppose you know more than they know. I’m just making sure I understand your line of thinking. Btw, Albert Einstein couldn’t read, but he was certainly capable of making other “distinctions.” As an educator, I would never write off a student for a simple grammar mistake. If you want anyone to take you seriously behave like an adult. Petulant children rarely get the attention they desire.

Danielle N. Lindley , I have family members in the medical fields. There are varying schools of thought on this. There is also much concern that the long term shielding from COVID will lead to the loss of immunity to other diseases. I’m not arguing with you. Personally, I am following the rules. I am also aware that I cannot impose them on everyone else.

Lisa Jane don't expect me to listen to your rhetoric. Read about the last 1918-19 flu pandemic and how it went pear shaped. It might enlighten you. I hope you don't lose anyone you care about to COVID, but I doubt that's I'll happen because you seem to be selfish and willfully ignorant.

Todd Garrison you rock!!!

Laura Hunt , sick people were quarantined. Healthy people were not. Those who were ill followed strict homebound rules. Everyone else did not. Even during the height of small pox, TB, rubella, polo , etc life went on for the healthy. **** The government did not impose draconian lockdowns on healthy people, much less entire states. Do you not comprehend the vast difference between those two scenarios? ** ** There was a time in which proof of vaccinations was required in to enter school. Do you have any idea how many anti-vaxers have children in the public and private school system? There are young adults around you that have never been immunized against any disease. There those who begin TB treatments when they are diagnosed and never finish them. Now we are dealing with mutated strains of TB. Before you accuse someone else of making a “fool of themselves, “ check your own information. Now get back out there and police the whole world. You’ve certainly proven you have the knowledge to do so.

Lisa Jane I’m glad you’d never write off a student for grammar mistakes. But once again, that’s not the playing field here, so quit moving the ball. This is a conversation about public health, life and death during a pandemic. Why would anyone take advice from an adult who claims to know the law and science but doesn’t understand the difference between “cite” and “site?” Such a basic error certainly doesn’t make a person seem authoritative. If you want to call me a petulant child because I’d rather put my trust in the majority of scientific and legal opinion instead of that of some ill-informed randos on Facebook, that is of course your privilege. But why can’t you stand out of the way and let the rest of us try what hasn’t truly been implemented collectively in this country—containment by judicious measures? It’s worked in other countries. If wearing masks, self quarantining and real social distancing doesn’t work, in six months you can gloat all you want. And we’ll try it your way again—you know, the way that’s already led to a quarter of a million deaths?

Todd Garrison well said!!!

Laura Hunt , that was during WWII, not a pandemic. 🙄 While some conservation measures were necessary for the war effort, the internment of Japanese Americans has not aged well in history. ( For good reason.) Way to prove the point of everyone you disagree with.)

Lisa Jane they aren’t wearing masks, must be Republicans. Always sneaking in and ruining a peaceful protest.

Lisa Jane Ah, I see...because they don't follow the rules, we shouldn't follow them either. Or is it that because they don't follow the rules, the rules must be useless.

What was it mothers used to tell their kids when the kids whined, "But all my friends are doing it!"?

Oh, yeah..."If all your friends jumped off a bridge, would you jump, too?"

You seem to have a case of Whataboutism.

Why should you have to wear a mask, right? Because what about the governor who didn't wear a mask, what about the senator who didn't social distance...?

What about them? Some of them got COVID, and a number of them passed it onto their families. Some of them may die because this pandemic is far from over.

So, when you or someone you love gets COVID, remember to not moan or complain or want sympathy because you will be told, Why are you complaining? What about the 258,000 people who have died from it?

Lisa Jane Good grief, you're hysterical! My sister lives in Pennsylvania and no one is forcing anyone to wear a mask in their own homes. It's a suggestion that, when people whom you have not been living with regularly come to visit...or service or repair people, you should wear a mask, as should they. Because sane people recognize that someone coming to visit might have been exposed to COVID and can pass it on to you. A number of companies around here are having their repair people wear masks when going into anyone's home...because it's the intelligent thing to do.

No one is forcing you to wear a mask at all, actually. Just keep yourself and your germs away from other people because you have no right to spread diseases.

That harms the public and you do NOT have the Constitutional freedom to do that. So, take off your mask, but then stay back or go elsewhere. But don't endanger others during an pandemic that has claimed a quarter of a million lives in the US alone.

I guess you don't realize that you sound like a screaming child throwing a temper tantrum because you're not allowed to go out and play in the hurricane. the mask is for your own good, but you: I don't wanna wear a mask and you can't make me.

Nope, no one can make you mask...but don't blame anyone but yourself when you get sick or if you are told to either put on a mask or else leave the store. No one else wants to risk getting what you have.

Thank God for the Constitution of the United States. Be well ✌️

Lisa Jane No, with smallpox, governments did not quarantine healthy people...until they showed symptoms...and every year before the smallpox vaccine, 300 million people died from it. 80% of children who caught it died.

But your "personal freedoms "are more important that keeping children well and alive, I guess.

You are not correct about the measures taken by the government.

Public health orders are generally carried out by local boards of health or by state law. These laws are known as "police powers." ("police" as in the act of policing, not the actual police though law enforcement officers did deal with violators). These laws "give governments the authority to interfere with individual liberty or property rights in the name of the general welfare and the public well-being."

People were isolated when they had tuberculosis if it was in the communicable stage. Latent TB was not communicable, so no isolation was needed there. However, there are law in various states that allow the health dept. to isolate anyone with communicable TB, and, if the person is kept at home, law enforcement is allowed to install electronic devices to monitor them to make sure the sick person stayed there.

And if they didn't finish their treatment, they were not let out of isolation until they could prove (3 tests done every 8 hours for a 24-hour period) that they were negative for TB.

Furthermore, every year school kids were given a TB tine test...mandatory, and yes, it hurt. I had them when I was in school. The tests were "read" a couple days later, and if there were any reaction, off the kid went to be isolated, and, no, parents had no control over this because...

Personal freedoms, personal and property rights DO NOT supersede the safety of the public health.

The Department of Health and Human Services has the legal authority, under the Public Health Service Act, can declare a public health emergency. Many laws, policies, and regulations then go into effect.

Orders to stay at home, to close businesses, to regulate crowd sizes, etc. are all parts of laws that have come into being because epidemics, like smallpox, polio, TB, and other contagious diseases, have taken so many lives and left so many people with serious long-term side effects.

Why have these things become laws? Because of people like YOU who refused to give up their own selfish wants, refused to wear masks, refused to quarantine, refused to socially isolate, and spewed nonsense about personal freedoms being more important that life and well-being of others, and who, in their self-centeredness and lack of compassion and humanity, condemned hundreds of thousands of people to lifelong conditions or death.

You might think your rights are being infringed upon, but you have no idea how many legal avenues the local, state, and federal governments actually have to keep egotistical, entitled people from harming others with their "I want to go out...I want to have a party...I want...I want...I want..."

Just because they haven't been used yet doesn't mean they won't be as the death toll goes up and up.

But, of course, considering your feelings about wearing a mask and staying home except for absolute necessities, you may not be around to see these regulations implemented.

COVID doesn't care about your wild exaggerations or your lack of knowledge of actual laws and mandates, and it doesn't give a damn about your personal freedoms.

Shennondoah Og my God you're ignorant. People like you are why we are at this level of contagion and death.

Nici Kobrowski , I care a great deal. I’m aware of the pear shape. I am simply pointing out the fact that not everyone agrees with your assessment on dealing with COVID.

Ree Young , if you read my other post I commented on that. I do wear masks. I social distance. I endanger no one. I wasn’t just referencing PA. I was referencing other cities and states, too. For most people this is called a discussion.

Lisa Jane Your interpretation of freedom and the price for that is skewed.

Ree Young , you are simply regurgitating the statistics. I am aware of the history and death numbers. Your comments do not refute nor support mine. I don’t know why you are on this tirade.***I WEAR masks. I social distance. I am simply stating that there is a line between needed protective measures and tyranny. If that sends you over the edge, I cannot help you. Don’t you believe that those issuing the orders should follow them?

Nici Kobrowski , according to you. Were it your business that was closed due to COVID lockdown and you could not feed your family you would be have a different perspective., especially if that business was lost forever. *** As I have stated before, I wear masks and social distance. I am also observing as other people lose their livelihoods forever. I am aware of the mental health issues that are coming into play as a result of lockdown laws that have more to do with control of people than control if the virus. I am concerned about the loss of immunity to those who have been “sheltered in place “ for too long. In other words, I am paying attention. Many Americans are. Someone has to do so.

Todd Garrison , wow. I wear masks. I social distance. I am not anything you assume me to be. I presented other points of view. That’s obviously too much for you to handle.

Ree Young , you completely missed the point. When the rules apply to the governed and not to those who govern there are red flags. You are a person who walks into things while you text, aren’t you? For the last time, in all caps so you can see and understand: I WEAR MASKS. I SOCIAL DISTANCE. I am, however paying attention to all of the factors in play. I am watching powerful individuals shut down and ruin lives as they go on about their business, exempt from the rule of their own law. For most of us it is possible to engage critical thinking and function at the same time. (Most of us. Obviously not all.)

Ree Young , who are you to assume that only YOU have neighbors and friends sick from COVID? Everyone in this nation will feel the effects of this in one way or another. Not everyone will agree with your opinion on how to manage this. That doesn’t make them wrong. Again, there is a difference in common sense health management and government overreach. If you cannot tell the difference you will live with the outcome.

Lisa Jane what drivel.

Lisa Jane great, you believe in science. So why be so unnecessarily combative here? And If you believe in following the rules, why argue so strenuously against others doing so? Maybe you’re just spoiling for a good online knock down, drag out.

Tracy Antonelli "Not dead" does not mean "recovered." There are people who have not died from congestive heart failure...yet...but there is no recovery for them after it gets to a certain stage. They live with an early death hanging over them.

Maybe you have no children, so you don't realize what it means to watch your child die slowly, never to "recover," and the child, knowing he or she will never recover...or live past a certain age is unbelievably harsh for them to bear.

Just because some people did not die from COVID does not mean they are recovered and life goes on as usual for them. That's science...it's fact that's being documented all over the world, not just in the US. Not an opinion.

As far as my neighbors...they are still worried about the children because there are cases where some kids who had mild symptoms are developing a severe complication called multisystem inflammatory syndrome. And some have still not gotten over the fatigue, which causes an extra burden on their family because they work a farm and need everyone to pitch in to keep it going.

But you can be as careless and disbelieving as you want, keep drinking the Kool-Aid lies. It's a guarantee that karma will eventually hit you, and you will remember your attitude and cavalier comments...and astounding ignorance of what is and isn't true (like all the things in the Constitution you have never read about)...but it will be too late. What goes around does come back around to you.

Don't waste your time responding to this. I won't be wasting my time reading any more responses from you. What you are spouting is desperate drivel and phony stories that you've fallen for. You bought into the con.

Your inability to admit you could be wrong, even in the face of facts, may one day be your downfall. But maybe you'll get lucky, and karma will just slap you around a bit so you can live on and on with the regrets. And you will learn that regret is the bitterest pill of all.

Lisa Jane Nice that you assume I'm against big weddings because I used weddings as an example of super-spreaders. They're in the news, by the way...the big weddings that were held regardless of the virus and also in the news are the number of people who had been at these weddings and caught COVID, how any died, and also how many the infected people spread it to after the wedding.

But your talk of burning buildings and crimes and criminal who wear masks not arrested...I have no idea what that's all about. Something you saw in a movie, maybe? I wrote nothing about being in favor of crimes or looting...didn't even mention anyof that.

You really are hysterical.

Lisa Jane Where did I say ANYTHING about only my neighbors being sick with COVID??? My response about my neighbors was to a post that claimed COVID wasn't the problem it's made out to beand99% recover (that actually is not true at all and I did provide the link that explained that).

I never wrote or even insinuated that my neighbors are the only ones sick from COVID! You have really gone off the deep end and are imagining things that are not there. Maybe go back and read more carefully when you're calmer?

Lisa Jane It is not MY opinion on how to manage the virus. It's the opinion of experts in the field...many experts all over the word, not just in the US.

And the people who had other opinions...like herd immunity (which doesn't work with a disease that can be and has been caught a second time),...are finding out that, yes, they were wrong. Some of them had the decency and courage to admit they were wrong. Others still rant on despite actual proof.

One last thing...I do not text and walk into things. I do not text. I live in a rural area where there is only spotty service, so my cellphone is pretty much useless...which is why I have a land line.

I carry my cell phone when I leave home in case of car trouble or emergencies because I go to areas where there IS cell phone service.

The few times I have needed to all someone on the cell...traffic backed up, running late, whatever...I have pulled over into a safe spot to make the call.

You've made wild assumptions, and the irrationality of them is really showing. So, since it's a waste of time to try to reason with someone who is acting like you are, I will not be responding...or even reading...anything you might respond back to me.

Please, get some help. Really. This level of illogic and resulting fear and anger is not healthy for you.

Nici Kobrowski , who is selfish? You and your sanctimonious friends are selfish and shortsighted . *** Are you aware of the upsurge of depression, mental illness, suicide, child abuse and spousal abuse due to the effects of this lockdown? Are you of aware that some children do not have an opportunity to eat if they aren’t at school? Are you aware that people are losing everything because they cannot work or because they are losing the very businesses their family depend on? The Law of Unintended Consequences is always in play. ** You call yourself an adult yet you function on a one dimensional, concrete level that is absolutely void of critical thinking skills and cause and effect observations. You are hardly in a position to lecture anyone on their knowledge or motives. Since the experts cannot agree on this issue, we all do the best we can. Here is a thought. You handle COVID as you need to handle it. You let everyone take care of their business without your “expert” interference and your judgement. You just concentrate on tying your shoes every morning. *** DISCLAIMER FOR THE COVID KARENS: I wear masks and social distance.

Nici Kobrowski , again, according to you. Who are you to make such pronouncements?

Ree Young , you’re making observations about everyone else. Does it bother you when others do the same to you? What part of my posts are you refuting? I am asking you how draconian lockdowns affect children who count on public school meals. I’m asking you how you plan on helping abused women and children who are in forced lockdown. Where is your concern and empathy for those who won’t economically survive these lockdowns? I’m very reasonable. You just cannot defend your own position. While you’re screaming at everyone to go into lockdown, consider someone besides yourself.

Ree Young , “ drivel?” You consider such news “drivel?”

More side effects of forced lockdowns:

Nici Kobrowski , and as long you are aren’t affected, you are not concerned.

Nici Kobrowski , you actually consider the loss of income, mental illness, suicide, domestic abuse, child abuse and child hunger resulting from enforced lockdowns to be “drivel? “ Tell us again why we should be listening to you.

Lisa Jane obviously we can see why we shouldn't be listening to you. But you do you.

Lisa Jane it sounds like you may be what we call a KNOW IT ALL. 😂😂😂

I am not drinker but many people enjoy alcohol, especially at the holidays. How does this ban help to stop the spread of COVID?

Nici Kobrowski , they haven’t banned your turkey and dressing yet. PA has banned alcohol sales on the day before Thanksgiving. Of course this “will help stop the pandemic.” Right?

Nici Kobrowski , you cannot answer one question. If YOU want to force lockdowns, YOU are responsible for managing the fallout. How many hungry children are YOU going to feed? How many victims of abuse are YOU going to care for? Victims of these lockdowns that YOU wish to force on people aren’t YOUR children. They aren’t YOUR family members. Who is selfish? If you address me again, have the guts to address the issues I’ve listed. If you cannot or will not , sit down, mind your business and keep your demands to yourself. #hypocrite

Lisa Jane why don't you address the comments about you b******* about losing you freedoms, which is code for being inconvenienced? But continue to do you. You might consider calming down before you blow a vein. Lol

Nici Kobrowski , I am calm, but I am fiercely protective of the helpless. Did you just reference the prevention of and preparation for child abuse, spousal abuse, hungry children, mental illness, an increase of suicide and loss the loss of incomes of the loss of incomes for countless Americans as an “inconvenience?” All as a result of lockdowns that you are shoving down everyone’s throat?

Lisa Jane if you were fiercely protective of the helpless you wouldn't be b******* about losing freedom during a pandemic. Right now you are just a broken record and in denial.

Nici Kobrowski , as I said, I social distance. I wear a mask. I haven’t lost my freedom. I don’t live in a state where insanity reigns. This is about you refusing to take ownership of the consequences of your would be demands on other Americans. You want to force a lockdown but you want no part in helping the victims. When people disagreed with your stance you attacked them. I’ve answered your questions. You have no answers for your infinite selfishness and hypocrisy.

Lisa Jane You have made up an irrational scenario in your unsettled mind and tried to twist my words because you can't take responsibility for your own your words and thoughts. Enjoy your escape room.

Doc Campos , my dad and my uncle fought across Europe. My uncle helped liberate Dachau. I am an educator as well. I simply pointed out current events as they correlate with history.

Doc Campos , there are other professionals who disagree with you. I am not self indulgent. My opinions do not align with yours. People will disagree with you. Learn to live with it.

Nici Kobrowski , do you read? What part children going hungry do you not comprehend? Sometimes, school is the only place these children have a chance to eat. What part of lockdown child abuse and spousal abuse escalation gets past you? What part of lockdown mental duress and higher suicide rates is beyond your grasp? What are you doing to help alleviate the situation that you support?

Lisa Jane keep going. You are spiraling.

Nici Kobrowski , I simply ask you a question. I never twisted your problems. You support mandatory lockdowns. How much thru help is in dispute. Since you excoriate others for disagreeing with you, I am asking you for simple explanations. If you force people into lockdown, how do you propose to feed the children? How are you going to protect victims of home child and spousal abuse? Further, are you going assist in helping people suffering from depression in lockdowns? What are you volunteering to do? You referenced these life altering tragedies as “inconveniences.” My mind is clear as is my conscious. When a child or anyone else receives an extra beatings because they are in forced lockdown with abusers, that’s on you. So is the rest of the fallout from your demands, princess.

Lisa Jane you do you.

Nici Kobrowski , I’m fine. I’ve answered your questions. When are you going to answer?

Nici Kobrowski ,

Nici Kobrowski , either you help fix the problems you create with your forced lockdowns or you mind tidy business.

Lisa Jane apparently you have not "learned to live with it".

Doc Campos , I’m just wondering who among the lockdown enforcers are going to help with the hell it’s creating /going to create. On the increase due to forced lockdowns are: Domestic abuse rates, child abuse rates, children going without eating because they are not in school , lost family incomes, mental health decline, and suicide rates that rival Covid death numbers. I saw people who disagreed with lockdowns ripped apart on this page. My questions are very simple. If you support something you should be able to address the fallout.

Lisa Jane all I hear you doing is bumping gums in your padded cell.

Lisa Jane you haven't listened.

Indeed. The boomer generation takes the cake for selfishness.

Stay home? For a virus that has over a 95% survival rate? If youre scared, stay home. The rest of us have to pay bills.

Crystal Grovdahl Highly unlikely! Why would you even say that?

Wil Perry that is a LIE. Gtfo with your q conspiracy.

It's not a Lie, it's from the cdc. You gtfo you cabbage.

Crystal Grovdahl does not seem like a very nice person

Wil Perry go learn what a pandemic is and how this pandemics death rate of TWO percent is still 10x more deadly than the seasonal flu. Tell that to the families of the 250k who have died in the US and the 1.4 M worldwide. And then GTH, you pompous windbag.

Nici Kobrowski the cdc said that under 10k have died strictly from covid. If you believe that over 200k have died you are as brain dead as you sound. The death rate isn't even at .004 %. And go f*** yourself.

Marti James they were the greatest generation

Crystal Grovdahl it isn't the so called boomers, spreading the virus. It's the 30 something's.

Crystal that era was the Greatest Generation, not the Boomers.

Suzanne Scherer That and the boomers were raised by depression and the Greatest Generation era parents and grandparents. We were taught not to waste, to recycle and being frugal is how we were raised.

Wil Perry hope you never know one person of the other 5 % . I do, young, healthy now gone. I guess u feel that 5% is expendable.

Wil Perry I've heard a good idea, we make the anti maskers dig the Graves for the dead.

Yes we know the difference between the Greatest Generation and the Baby Boomers.

30 somethings have to work for a living and keep the economy going.

Robyn Meyer I heard on radio the other day that prisoners were being used to carry the dead into the makeshift morgues

Ree Young I remember the stories of people getting the goods, even though they were not suppose to. But even during probation some people drank.

Joann Thiel-Larson Yeah, black markets always show up when anything is limited.

Ree Young My grandfather owned a Chevy dealership and he had to pivot to having his mechanics fix cars. Often, he was paid in canned goods, a butchered hog - whatever people grew themselves. (Leading to my young mother to complain that they were hoarding!) :) But in all fairness, the 1918 - 1920 pandemic was similar to what people are doing now - many got tired of wearing masks, lengthening the pandemic. :(

AncientFaces One of my uncles died in the 1918 epidemic...only 25, leaving a wife and 2 children.

AncientFaces plus many soldiers during WW1 were shipped overseas shoulder to shoulder without masks. Making their age group the hardest hit. But also why it ended sooner because the healthy started the herd immunity. At least that is what I saw on PBS. Wish my father and mother would of talked about the Spanish flu to know.

Crystal Rose i wasn't quite born yet but i know we had nothing compared to Europe that suffered greatly.

Crystal Rose thank you for sharing that story. 😥How awful war is. How awful Hitler was.

Thank you , Crystal Rose, for letting the truth be heard once more.

Crystal Rose it was a dreadful time. Thank you for sharing.

Crystal Rose I hope to God, this never happens again. Thank you for sharing.

Crystal Rose My mom was in France during WW2 and had Nazi soldiers staying in their house. She spoke of hard times also. She just passed away this past Feb.

Crystal Rose my Mother in Law was Dutch, she hated turnip and swede as that is what her family survived on, she would say they are just for cows not children

Crystal Rose Oh yes... l was born in London, 1945 and my mum told me of the desperate inhuman situation in Holland ( and also Greece) when ordinary people died on the streets from starvation. 💔 Linda Lion

Its one of the reasons why i read everything about ww2 i can get my hands on because this should never be forgetten and sadly they barely spoke of this during history classes most stories are my grandmothers

You people have your heads in the sand if think this isn't going on right now. Genocide and famine is alive and going unchecked as we speak.

Elizabeth Garcia yes they would say but we are a free country,you can't tell me what to do! Free to kill your neighbor and family.

Pamela Collins Focarino puhleeze!!!

Alyce Carson yes really.

Maureen Bates I also have my grandmother's ration book. She really was very careful, not to use too much. I miss her.

Norma Habenstein yeah, it's amazing how their generation could make the most of everything.

Maureen Bates I guess that’s why my parents made us raise everything they ate. Huge garden, orchard, butchering on three day weekends. Depression/war babies.

Yeah. I guess so . I wasn't born yet,but had older siblings who were ...I know I grew up on a farm,and we had a huge garden. I sure helped plant and pick the garden. That was usually one of our after school chores. That and helping feed the horses and milk the cows ..the good old days. Haha

Maureen Bates yes, all of my family at home had what was called "Victory Gardens" and they shared food. All of the men in the family were in the military overseas. The community came together to survive.

Maureen Bates We raised our children on a farm when they were young. We grew most of our own food and raised animals. We had our own chickens and eggs. They learned to conserve and to recycle what we could.

Doc Campos yeah . They didn't waste anything.

Kate Interrante they would never hoard? Why do you think those ration books etc were made...

Autumn I meant this generation. Beginning of the pandemic toilet paper and other items were impossible to find.

Kate Interrante I know who you meant, and i meant those ppl were forced to ration via a strict system for a reason then too.

Kate Interrante I can assure you they not only hoarded, they lied, cheated and stole to get what they wanted. People never really change, we just like to think they do.

Cheri Dunaway Parkinson you know, they had a different honor system back then, most were too proud to steal, going to jail was a bad thing. Not so today, people don't have ethics.

Robyn Meyer My Grandparents told a much different story. Hunger wins over pride.

Autumn Phillimore what would you suggest? The reason things have gotten this bad is because people were unwilling to follow basic communicable disease protocols.

Children can do just fine without one year of school. I would have closed schools completely for the year. I would also have provided a stipend to each household not working instead of bailing out wealthy people who have continued to garner more billions. I saw nothing in your post about a government that willingly bailed out billionaires and not it's average citizen. It is the small businesses and the average person who needed a monthly stipend and food vouchers.

Autumn Phillimore no comparison. We have no idea how bad it was.

Doc Campos 1st; ppl did follow mandates and had no choice when schools closed last year and so on..
2nd; in your own words you are getting mad about things that werent even said? 🤔

Autumn Phillimore and you know I am "getting mad" how? Must be magic.

Doc Campos because you began ranting/rambling about things that werent even in my comment. 🤷‍♀️
So yeah the same magic that touched you must've touched me 🧙‍♂️

Linda Rushing like the South Dakota motorcycle rally. Out of control COVID cases there. And a much higher death rate because of the healthcare system cannot keep up with that level of cases.

Autumn Phillimore stating facts is not "getting mad" ... it's facts, things you apparently judge to be unacceptable.

Linda Rushing I didnt even read past the first few lines of your post because you are pointing fingers at ppl about halloween. Idk if you dont know how fb works but your posts are like ALL public and theres a few of them from halloween that dont seem like you had an issue with ppl trunk or treating or preparing for trick or treaters. 🤷‍♀️😂👌🏻
I guess if you're going to point fingers you should be very aware that you have 4 pointing at yourself.
Also idk why on November 3rd you posted #ivoted if you could have done mail in voting before then..... interesting though how you are blaming others for not locking themselves in right at the start of your rant, I guess you and your friends are exceptions and dont need to live how you want everyone else to?

Doc Campos I didnt judge what you said to be unacceptable just that you started going on about things that werent even said 🤷‍♀️ I dont disagree large businesses and corporations didnt need any money to "help" them. They for the large part were the least effected

Doc Campos but when you say you'd close schools down for a year and it wouldnt hurt kids.. you're wrong. A lot of kids get things they need from school that they arent getting anywhere else that their families cant afford outside of school or in some cases just dont even care. Services that are in fact time sensitive and need to be consistant and putting off makes it more of a struggle. Then theres poverty stricken areas where kids depend on school and school programs just to eat that day

Linda Rushing yeah I'm spoiled and entitled meanwhile you're hypocrisy is publicly displayed all over your fb page

Autumn Phillimore yes that part is true. But it's due to a much larger ongoing problem. Poverty didnt just start yesterday or last month. It's the UNDERLYING problems that are being exposed rn due to this pandemic. It goes much deeper than 'the kids are starving to death w/o their school breakfast and lunch provided". Think.

Doc Campos 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

Autumn Phillimore Families not able to socialize? For what...some months? A year.?

How about forever when they catch COVID and die? Like the kids who lost parents, and parents who lost kids. Spouses now widows and widowers.

Is that what you think is worth happening so a family can sit down to a meal on one holiday or a couple weekends?

The choice is a holiday later and more for years OR a holiday now, but no holidays ever again. How can people not understand such a very simple thing??

What confuses me is how parents are so anxious to get their kids to school even with the risk of their child being miserably sick or even dying if they go back to school. How can parents be so selfish, so uncaring, so wrapped up in the lies that they would willingly put their child in such danger???

But maybe they think it can't happen to them...their kids are healthy and strong and will grow up and be fine. Guess what? That is not so. It can happen to them, very easily. No one is immune.

The shame is that these people won't realize it can happen to them until it DOES happen to them, and it's the child who suffers.

I've lost a child. Not to COVID, but it was still so unimaginable that my daughter was gone. It was permanent, the pain didn't stop, the grief didn't stop, it hurt then and it hurts now and it will always hurt. But, hey, send the kids to school. Keep thinking it can't happen to you.

And, yes, there are kids whose only nutritious meal may be the one they get at school. So, where's the government to step in and make sure these kids eat?? Oh, wait, the leader said kids don't get COVID, and the those who defended him said what the people needed in help was too much, give them less or we won't agree to give them anything.

I'm a retired teacher who has taught a lot of classes online. My grandkids are getting school online, and they're doing okay. Not missing any information, and if it takes a year for them to go back safely, they're not going to be so far behind that they can't catch up quickly. Some schools, in fact, have long been teaching information at a 4th or 5th grade level that other schools don't get into till 6th grade. It hasn't caused any kids to fall so far behind that they can't go on with their education.

By the way, I went to school with a girl who was out for almost the whole year...rheumatic fever that cause some heart damage...and she graduated with the rest of her class, no problem. I was even out for over 6 months at one point due to illness, but, surprisingly, I was able to go on and pass all the grades with my peers and even go on to get degrees and become a teacher.

By all means, get upset over a holiday or two that you can't have the way you want. Get infected and pass it on to someone else. You might think it's your right to harm others because the rules interfere what you want...not need, but just want.

Oh, about the elderly being isolated. I'm elderly, and I would damn well prefer being isolated even longer than be dead forever.

Autumn Phillimore if you'd read the entire post you would also see that I stated these families should have stipends and food vouchers so that they can care for themselves. You just want to be right. So be right. You aren't going to understand no matter what. I worked in epidemiology and healthcare for 30 years. I also worked in the school system as part of that working with high risk children. I'm fully aware of what services are offered and I also know that being alive gives one a chance to improve their lives as they get older. Death or disability in the family causes much more harm.

Ree Young well said! People are being selfish to risk their lives and those of others just for one Thanksgiving. This will be one of the hardest things I've ever had to do........have Christmas eve without the kids. First time in 50 years my husband and i will be alone.

Ree Young thank you! Very well said. I am very sorry for the loss of your daughter. I almost lost a son in a car wreck. I was lucky he pulled through. I can't imagine the pain of that loss. Thank you for all you've done as a teacher. Most all of my friends are teachers, nurses and doctors so we know full well the ultimate cost of this virus. I am a doctor and nurse (30 years worth), now disabled from work injuries that nearly killed me. I had COVID this year and it took me over 2 months to recover. It's disheartening to see the willful ignorance of those still believing it's no big deal. My friends are in the middle of this working in acute care hospitals. It's devastating to their morale and some have lost their lives. Thank you for your wisdom.

Marlie McFarlane Believe me, it would be even harder if you didn't have your husband with you. I've been a widow for 31 years. There have been a lot of Christmases alone.

And, sadly, with COVID, there are going to be a lot of missing loved ones.

But you still have a treasure in having each other. Hey, get some new lingerie and surprise your husband on Christmas Eve!😃

Ree Young well said. nyc schools provided and still provides meals for students when schools closed.
There are no words of comfort for you but sending healing hugs for the loss of your daughter.

Marlie McFarlane but think of it this way, you really are not alone because your husband is there with you. Some of us are widows and we are truly alone

Cindy Puiatti i realize that. I'm trying to reach out to all widows or those living alone. Just a phone c a ll might brighten up someone's day

Sharon-Shari Moulder Coleman - yes, they drew the lines with eyebrow pencil! An Aunt said a steak dinner was a rare thing and if the butcher had meat in the cold case, it was as liable to be horse meat as it was beef. You learned not to ask. You just cooked it and were glad to have it.

Heather Phillips , that's so cool that you have those ration books

I have some from my parents as well. They hold a significant and eerie memory.

Chance Favors esp if they had to go lights out or wear a gas mask.

Marielle Valenzuela wtf is that supposed to mean?

Julie Jones. Our 'blessed American freedom' was paid for with the blood of a million patriots who fought and many died for our beautiful freedoms. God bless our country and our freedons

We were also not being held under the power of a genocidal madman in the US. Also, the Soviets liberated Auschwitz, the Americans liberated Dachau.

Julie Jones When we stop "worrying" about our American freedom, we will end up in our own horror story. It's too bad no one worried about freedom in Germany.....might have prevented millions of deaths.

Vickie Hatton Smyers I fully understand that, it's the complaining over trivial things we are ask to do to save lives compared to the atrocities of World War 1 and 2. We can still socialize and obtain as much as we need to eat. The mask issue became political, the lockdown enraged most Americans, never mind the thousands that became infected and dying in hospitals with no families at their sides. Or our health care workers, who tirelessly watch this disease devour human lives while A great majority of Americans adopt a me attitude and bear guns because they don't want to wear mask or be told what to do or still believe it's a hoax really! When you see a grown man throw a fit because he has to wear a mask for 30 minutes because he claimes it is his right, Yeah blessed American freedom.Freedom has been taken on a different meaning in America. And God has not blessed this country.

Amy Walker There is a difference when it is about control and using you as a psychological experiment. Look at the news. They have words that flash on the TV through the whole news cast, "FEAR OF THE VIRUS". This is programming.

Lynn Fish

Trish Woolston governors and states set laws as well. Take a civics class

Trish Woolston, exactly. We have all made tremendous sacrifices during this pandemic, but ultimately your health is your responsibility and my health is mine.

Rick Hartley if they hadn't come up with those ration books and such ppl would have done the same thing then. A lot of ppl under stress revert to self preservation above all others. I think it takes strong minded ppl to think of the big picture and not panic. I'm sure there were plenty of cases of lying and theft during the time too

Autumn Phillimore I don't know, there was a different concept of honor than we have now. People were too proud to steal

Robyn Meyer idt so.

Autumn Phillimore your argument is sound. The one thing to keep in mind is rationing. In my opinion people today would not be reasonable, they’d lose their minds. It’s as though so many have lost their ability to reason, compromise, share. I thinks it’s sad what so many have become.

Rick Hartley I think your right, people act a bit on the crazy side now.

Erika Perez Try to keep your spirits up with phone call, everyday if you wish. Remember "this took shall pass" and you will see your loved ones again and be able to hug them and kiss them. Stay well and stay safe and live for tomorrow. Hugs for u and ur kids.

Yep ♥️

Patsy Kreuzer and get irritated when they need to stand in line to keep numbers limited in the market.

Judy Stepanek but will wait hours for concert or sports tickets

Eutha Black

That's not what the article is about. No one is suggesting rationing anything. Use some reading comprehension and critical thinking skills.
Man, people are DUMB.

Eutha Black Exactly. The Plandemic is not WWII except to the sheeple.