A patron and her daughter handling a ration book

Ancient Faces

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Rationing began in the US in 1941 and ended in November of 1945. Due to WW2, everyone had to use ration books for such staples as sugar, meat, dairy, coffee, oils, and more. Tires, gasoline, fuel oil, coal, firewood, nylon, silk, and shoes were also severely limited. Were our grandparents of sturdier stock than us? If they could ration for 4 years, we can certainly endure a bit of inconvenience now.

Nov 23, 2020 ·

Kate Van Dyck

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Same in Australia. Yes, I think they coped better and without all the drama and complaining.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Marilynn Marlow

Exactly

Nov 23, 2020 on

Norma Monroe

Yes, they were raised different

Nov 23, 2020 on

Tracy Antonelli

Big difference between rationing and limiting the population personal freedoms granted by the constitution that my father fought for in WWII.....btw only 17 yrs old when he enlisted in Navy.... this of course was a WAR.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Ree Donkerous

Tracy Antonelli it wasn’t only rationing. It was pull the black out curtains down in your home and lights off and you had better be off the streets when the siren sounded. These were drills practiced over and over in port cities. Philadelphia I know for sure.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Tracy Antonelli

Ree Donkerous yes...my grandmothers uncle lived in England and after the house he was boarding in was hit by an air raid he spent the last 3 years of the war with his bed in the living room...his upstairs room was destroyed. So drills in case of bombs being dropped on your house makes sense!

Nov 23, 2020 on

Kathy Rehme

Tracy Antonelli where in the constitution? Don't be ridiculous.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Ree Young

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Tracy Antonelli Personal freedoms only go to a certain point. Once they endanger others, your personal freedom ceases. It's been clear how people who insisted on their personal freedoms have caused surges in the virus. No one has the right to endanger your health or life, especially not for the sake of a big wedding, or out to dinner, or a rally with no masks or distancing. People died. That's not one of the freedoms we have...to infect others and cause sickness and death.

Every freedom listed in the Constitution has a limit. It's the only way a society can continue without mayhem, crime, and nothing to stop it.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Tracy Antonelli

Kathy Rehme 4th amendment for starters

Nov 23, 2020 on

AncientFaces

Tracy Antonelli protects people from unreasonable searches and seizures by the government. The Fourth Amendment, however, is not a guarantee against all searches and seizures, but only those that are deemed unreasonable under the law.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Tracy Antonelli

Ree Young that is an opinion not science... for as many studies etc you site for your opinion I can site as many saying the opposite.... the constitution does not have" conditions" put in that give power to take that away. I have lived through several deadly viruses in this country and never had any of these unlawful mandates . Americans are pretty damn good at taking care of themselves and their families without government thinking they know better.. when in fact they have no facts that haven't been disputed !

Nov 23, 2020 on

Ree Young

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Tracy Antonelli That's the right against seizure without a warrant and that warrants have to show probable cause.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Kathy Rehme

Tracy Antonelli you need to reread that.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Tracy Antonelli

AncientFaces exactly how utterly unreasonable to be checking on people's Thanksgiving dinners.!! Give me a break.... if they only spent half as much time , media and enforcement on child trafficking maybe we would really be saving lives!

Nov 23, 2020 on

Kathy Rehme

Tracy Antonelli WRONG! That's science.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Tracy Antonelli

Search and seizure...

Nov 23, 2020 on

Todd Garrison

Tracy Antonelli you can’t even use the correct word. It’s “cite,” not “site.” So pardon me if I don’t take health policy advice from the likes of you. Just put on a mask and practice social distancing, for pity’s sake. It’s literally the least you can do for your fellow humans.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Tracy Antonelli

Kathy Rehme wrong not science.... many studies not supporting that theory, by scientists all over the world.... the world was flat... that was science until science continued study and found no its round.... and that is how science works

Nov 23, 2020 on

Ree Young

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Tracy Antonelli Let me know how you feel about this virus that's only an opinion when someone you care about is in the hospital on a ventilator or suffering from the long term effects afterward.

One of my neighbors had their entire family get COVID...adults, kids, and grandkids. Some lost their sense of smell and taste, and some, months later, can't get rid of a hacking cough. I'll have to remember to tell them how they're not really sick; it's just their opinion.

By the way, you have freedom of speech EXCEPT when it's libel, slander, obscenity, pornography, sedition, incitement, fighting words, classified information, copyright violation, trade secrets, food labeling.

All the freedoms in the Constitution are limited "if they harm the public interest."

Nov 23, 2020 on

Tracy Antonelli

Todd Garrison you take your health care advice from whoever you want...I will do the same... that's how it works in America... freedom to make our own decisions... glad you know how to spell...bet it will get you far in this life!

Nov 23, 2020 on

Linda Fasake

Tracy Antonelli don’t fall prey to these commies! I have your back and you are 💯 correct

Nov 23, 2020 on

Todd Garrison

Tracy Antonelli okay, let’s see. A large number of Americans are doing just what you recommend: nothing. And we have over 250,000 dead and ever escalating rates of infection. Newsflash! Your way ISN’T WORKING! I’m guessing you have no experience with either Constitutional law or epidemiology. So take a seat, because this kind of ignorance is literally killing people.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Elizabeth McFarland

Tracy Antonelli I am betting no police officer will be willing to do so. Most police are ex military and respect their oaths. I believe police officers take pretty much the same oath.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Todd Garrison

Tracy Antonelli everyone doing whatever the hell they feel like doing is not how adults behave in a pandemic. Unless they want more people to die.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Laura Hunt

Tracy Antonelli try reading some history. Freedoms were curtailed: we locked up Americans of Japanese descent in camps. Because of fuel shortages, travel was restricted. Many areas had curfews and were required to blackout at night. There was some censoring of media as well

Nov 23, 2020 on

Shennondoah Og

If YOU are that concerned about YOUR health and the health of your family, then stay home. Buy a proper mask to wear and stay 10 feet away. Have your groceries delivered. Your fear of living with a disease that has, what, a 90% survival rate should not force those who would rather live without the fear, to live your way... it really is just that simple.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Tracy Antonelli

Ree Young ok... in Feb my friend who lives with me caught H1N1 flu....he ended up in the hospital 27 days ....15 days in the ICU on a ventilator!!! He was as close to death as you can come... told to me by the doctors..he made it and when he got out months of rehab at home...I was there everyday of it all. The doctors told me that there was an epidemic in US at that time but never heard it on the news....AND NEVER SAW ONE PERSON WEAR A MASK TO PROTECT HIM FROM GETTING THE FLU...WHICH IS DEADLY EVERY YEAR TO MIN.TENS OF THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS!!.If everybody who says just wear a masks and protect others I expect to see you all continue to wear them for all viruses that are deadly that you would infect someone else with. So get use to them cause obviously your belief in them makes you have to continue to wear them to protect your fellow citizens.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Todd Garrison

Tracy Antonelli okay then, the next time you have surgery, just tell the OR staff you don’t want them wearing masks or gloves or washing their hands. See how that goes for you, and come back here to let us know.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Tracy Antonelli

Todd Garrison newsflash your way isn't either. Why.... because it's a virus and can't be stopped....as one epidemiologist said way back in March.." the same amount of people who were going to catch it will catch it".

Nov 23, 2020 on

Tracy Antonelli

Todd Garrison 99.97% recovery rate.... face reality

Nov 23, 2020 on

Doc Campos

Tracy Antonelli we live with laws every single day. The limits on how many in a building is limited by fire code for public safety, the same as for communicable disease at the present time. It's also there for traffic in stop signs, one way streets, speed limits, etc. Then we have taxes that are mandatory. We have mandated public education. We have mandated restrictions on noise levels in our homes that impact the community. There are many for public safety. The current needs for public health safety is temporary and is no different than in 1918 during the pandemic. Be glad you have some people who care about your life and the lives of loved ones.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Cindy Sue

Tracy Antonelli

Nov 23, 2020 on

Danielle N. Lindley

Todd Garrison you can’t argue with selfish people. Funny how they’re always the first to demand care or complain things aren’t open when they’re doing everything in their power to prevent life returning to normal.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Lisa Jane

Kathy Rehme , wow. [external link]

Nov 23, 2020 on

Doc Campos

Tracy Antonelli my father and all of my uncles fought in WWII to defeat Nazi Germany, yet this country allows Nazi products and behaviors here in this country. Fight against that. It's far more dangerous than trying to contain a virus that will kill millions if not contained. I'm sure my father and uncles were against the Nazis then and now. Even Germany outlaws anything Nazi.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Tracy Antonelli

Laura Hunt yeah so let's do that again.. internment camps...I guess before we go down the history road let's talk about the elephant in the room....It was a world war! Not a virus.... and internment camps was also a horrible mistake on the government's part .. wouldn't you agree?

Nov 23, 2020 on

Tracy Antonelli

Doc Campos these are not laws.... legislators are the only ones that make laws... these are mandates not laws...

Nov 23, 2020 on

Tracy Antonelli

Doc Campos virus has 99.97%. Recovery it will not kill millions in this country with that rate....

Nov 23, 2020 on

Lisa Jane

Todd Garrison , because policing someone’s grammar has everything to do with this situation. 🙄🙄 Stay salty.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Linda Rink Zern

Tracy Antonelli for heaven’s sake, do you have to make a big deal out of a piece of cloth? Can you just wear a mask and TRY to help others get through this? Do you wear a seatbelt? We didn’t have to for years and they make you do it now. Does it hurt you anymore than wearing a mask?

Nov 23, 2020 on

Vickie Hatton Smyers

Linda Fasake. Notice how they attack like a pack of wolves

Nov 23, 2020 on

Tracy Antonelli

Doc Campos public education is optional... you can choose home school... private school religious schools...do not mix up laws made and passed by our representatives in state and federal legislatures and these mandates decided on by a governor or mayor... they are not laws

Nov 23, 2020 on

Laura Hunt

Tracy Antonelli well, you do realize that we also used to quarantine people too? Anything contagious (measles, flu, TB, scarlet fever...etc) they curtailed your freedom by pasting a sticker on your door, and you were housebound. No exceptions. That’s why TB testing is still mandatory for jobs, schools and even cattle are tested. You really need to do some reading before making a fool of yourself again.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Nita Younger

Qtippers only have freedoms. Zero duty or responsibility for the people

Nov 23, 2020 on

Tracy Antonelli

Cindy Sue Glinda the good witch❤

Nov 23, 2020 on

Linda Rink Zern

Tracy Antonelli I’m 72 years old, how many deadly viruses did you live through that I missed? This is the most deadly virus I have ever seen and people need to get serious about it and wear a mask. If you don’t want to, please stay away from others

Nov 23, 2020 on

Janet Jones Amis

Todd Garrison She'd be putting up Christmas lights during the Blitz, saying it was her right to do so and that most of town wouldn't get bombed.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Doc Campos

Tracy Antonelli whether it is laws or mandates, this is for the public safety because people are too selfish to do what is necessary on their own. Many of the posts, as is yours, evidence of that.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Janie Hendricks

Tracy Antonelli Oh, good grief.This is an old record. Just wear a f-ing mask. PEOPLE ARE DYING!

Nov 23, 2020 on

Tracy Antonelli

Ree Young I notice apparently all your neighbors recovered??

Nov 23, 2020 on

Linda Rink Zern

Tracy Antonelli why do you say not wearing a mask harmed your friend if you don’t believe they help?

Nov 23, 2020 on

Linda Rink Zern

Tracy Antonelli you’re probably against vaccines too aren’t you? Don’t want to be told to get one?

Nov 23, 2020 on

Ree Young

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Tracy Antonelli The news is that wearing a mask has been found to protect the wearer, too. Maybe you didn't read or hear that news.

"For some who recover from COVID-19, symptoms like fatigue, shortness of breath, muscle pain, confusion, headaches and even hallucinations are among the growing number of issues survivors face following the illness.

“Individuals recovering from COVID-19 may struggle with a number of respiratory, cardiac and kidney problems,” warns Laurie Jacobs, M.D., chair of the Department of Internal Medicine at Hackensack University Medical Center. “They also have an increased risk of blood clots, which can potentially lead to a stroke or heart attack.”

Some of the long term effects being seen are heart Trouble, brain and neurological problems, lung trouble.

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H1N1 was an influenza virus. In the US in a year, 12,469 people died from it.

COVID is not the flu. It is more contagious than the flu, and in less than a year over 257,000 Americans died.

That's some differences between H1N1 and COVID.

Some social media posts "claim that 99.94% to 99.97% of those who catch Covid-19 recover. This is incorrect.

"This is likely based on estimates of how many people have died after catching Covid-19, but gives a figure for the death rate that is far too low. Additionally, it’s wrong to say that anybody who hasn’t died from Covid-19 has “recovered”, because some patients remain ill for a long time."

With COVID, "not dead" does not mean "recovered."

Nov 23, 2020 on

Doc Campos

Tracy Antonelli 407,000 Americans total died from WWII. We are headed for numbers of deaths far larger than that due to ignorance, selfishness and stubborn people who will not understand the needs of a pandemic communicable disease protocol. Those unwilling to do this to save lives are the enemy at this current time. It's people like that who will kill more than 407,000 American citizens. It doesn't have to be a war, a pandemic can kill as many or more due to selfishness.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Ree Young

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Tracy Antonelli Violating a state mandate for emergencies like COVID is a second class misdemeanor, and you can be arrested.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Nici Kobrowski

Tracy Antonelli wtf? You think they are going to seize your turkey and dressing?

Nov 23, 2020 on

Val Jones

Tracy Antonelli stfu🤣🤮

Nov 23, 2020 on

Doc Campos

Linda Fasake shaving your head next?

Nov 23, 2020 on

Doc Campos

Tracy Antonelli you are digging yourself a hole. Maybe you should also sign a waiver not to be treated in a hospital if you get seriously ill from COVID-19 from being irresponsible and promoting irresponsibility? That way you do not endanger our healthcare workers.

Nov 23, 2020 on

McCue Sharon

Nov 23, 2020 on

Molly Flannery

Tracy Antonelli You are sadly mistaken. You nut jobs on the fringe of the already whacko right need to apologize to America...on your knees.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Linda Fasake

Doc Campos weirdo

Nov 23, 2020 on

Doc Campos

Linda Fasake says the Nazi who still supports Trump/Pence.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Lisa Jane

Doc Campos , those ignorant to history are the ones with the loudest mouths. Germany was a land of historical monuments and statues. In the name of “sensitivity” Hitler destroyed them. He had books banned and burned. The only history he wanted remembered was his version. He destroyed traditional police departments and replaced them with his own “police.” Riots, violence and destruction were rampant. If you can pull yourself away from Google and avail yourself to real history books you might learn something. Take a hard look at which side resembles Nazis.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Lisa Jane

Ree Young , oddly the governors and mayors laying down such laws do not follow said laws. When those in power refuse to follow the restrictions they impose you, you should be concerned. [external link]%3Famp

Nov 23, 2020 on

Todd Garrison

Lisa Jane damn right I’m salty. If someone claims to know the law and public health better than the experts, I have no issue calling out their misuse of a simple word like “cite.” If someone can’t make that distinction, who are they to insist we should listen to them about life and death matters? We are literally talking about her sort of wide-ranging ignorance influencing public policy (and vice versa), leading to a ever-worsening health crisis. It’s time to shut down ignorance, not indulge it.

You stay salty too, hon. 🙄

Nov 23, 2020 on

Doc Campos

Lisa Jane not sure what you are getting at here. I know the history of Hitler. I used to teach the psychology as a college instructor of how he accomplished what he did. I also am a Jew, so yeah I know the history. My father was at Dachau. In addition, I lived in Germany, so your ridiculous extrapolation is just that, ridiculous.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Lisa Jane

Nici Kobrowski , when the government overreaches it’s time to take notice. When leaders dictate how many family members may have at your home, how long they may stay, ( Because COVID knows if you visit more than two hours,) forces you to have your celebrations outside, gives you permission to allow family to use your restroom, forbids singing, praying and chanting even with the use of masks, there’s a huge issue. When the government closes your business by force there is a problem. In PA people now have to wear masks in their own homes if family members visit. It is one thing to follow common sense rules. It is another to give in to tyranny. Worse, the people making the rules for you /us aren’t following those rules themselves. You might be just fine with this. Don’t expect everyone else to be. [external link]%3Famp

Nov 23, 2020 on

Todd Garrison

Lisa Jane oh, I get it. You’re a right-wing, never-masker, own-the-libs troll, just like Tracy. Bless your heart. 💙

Nov 23, 2020 on

Lisa Jane

Doc Campos , you’re the one in full lockstep. You’re among those few in the US who cannot discern between common sense sanitation/ disease spread prevention from a complete erosion of constitutional rights. This meme is far closer to you than you realize. You live as you must. Everyone else will do the same. We do not ask for nor require the permission of sheep.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Doc Campos

Tracy Antonelli you are mistaken. The ignorance of how this virus works is going to kill at least 1 million people. Look at what is happening in South Dakota after the motorcycle rally. The increase was too much for the hospitals, so the needs are greater than the resources which then caused a higher rate of death. Exactly what is going to happen across the country as hospitals are at capacity.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Doc Campos

Vickie Hatton Smyers who is "they"? Your fellow American citizens. Stop acting like you are in a high school cliche. Or maybe you are.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Curtis Martin

Shennondoah Og hope you don't end up in the 10%

Nov 23, 2020 on

Curtis Martin

Tracy Antonelli 260k already

Nov 23, 2020 on

Vickie Hatton Smyers

Doc 'They' are exactly what I said 'they' are. Like a pack of ravening wolves.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Lisa Jane

Ree Young , tell me. How far do those rights extend for those burning businesses and destroying everything in sight? Innocent people including law enforcement are being attacked. First responders are being attacked. Stores are being looted and destroyed. People are seriously injured and killed. Do you have a problem with such criminal acts? If they are wearing masks do they receive a pass? ** Since you and so many of your ilk enjoy lecturing the rest of us on how our Constitutional rights only go to a “certain point, “ I would love your opinion on disease prevention protocol when one is in the process of engaging in criminal behavior. We know you are opposed to large weddings but how does the rest of that play out in your head?

Nov 23, 2020 on

Doc Campos

Vickie Hatton Smyers best you can do is vague. SMH

Nov 23, 2020 on

Doc Campos

Lisa Jane Lisa Jane grow up. You are self indulgent. I worked in epidemiology as one of the experts in our community for many years. I have a PhD in research. I believe I do know what is right for communicable disease protocols and it's not the ignorance of people like you that I would recommend.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Lisa Jane

Danielle N. Lindley , how is life going to return to normal, and when? Thankfully there is a vaccine within our reach. Had there not been such a breakthrough how long would have you demanded the use of masks and lockdowns? During outbreaks of polio, TB, German Measles and other deadly communicable diseases the sick were quarantined. Healthy people were not. People followed sanitation protocol but all people weren’t wearing masks. COVID can enter your body through your eyes. Now what? Full facial shields? People are getting sick from masks. It’s a Petri dish sitting on your face. [external link]

Nov 23, 2020 on

Danielle N. Lindley

Lisa Jane I actually work in academic medicine surrounded by brilliant, world class researchers. They all wear masks, socially distance, and we work from home whenever possible. I’ll take my medical advice from them, thanks.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Lisa Jane

Todd Garrison , I’m not salty at all. There are health experts who disagree with you. I suppose you know more than they know. I’m just making sure I understand your line of thinking. Btw, Albert Einstein couldn’t read, but he was certainly capable of making other “distinctions.” As an educator, I would never write off a student for a simple grammar mistake. If you want anyone to take you seriously behave like an adult. Petulant children rarely get the attention they desire.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Lisa Jane

Danielle N. Lindley , I have family members in the medical fields. There are varying schools of thought on this. There is also much concern that the long term shielding from COVID will lead to the loss of immunity to other diseases. I’m not arguing with you. Personally, I am following the rules. I am also aware that I cannot impose them on everyone else.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Nici Kobrowski

Lisa Jane don't expect me to listen to your rhetoric. Read about the last 1918-19 flu pandemic and how it went pear shaped. It might enlighten you. I hope you don't lose anyone you care about to COVID, but I doubt that's I'll happen because you seem to be selfish and willfully ignorant.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Linda Rink Zern

Todd Garrison you rock!!!

Nov 23, 2020 on

Lisa Jane

Laura Hunt , sick people were quarantined. Healthy people were not. Those who were ill followed strict homebound rules. Everyone else did not. Even during the height of small pox, TB, rubella, polo , etc life went on for the healthy. **** The government did not impose draconian lockdowns on healthy people, much less entire states. Do you not comprehend the vast difference between those two scenarios? ** ** There was a time in which proof of vaccinations was required in to enter school. Do you have any idea how many anti-vaxers have children in the public and private school system? There are young adults around you that have never been immunized against any disease. There those who begin TB treatments when they are diagnosed and never finish them. Now we are dealing with mutated strains of TB. Before you accuse someone else of making a “fool of themselves, “ check your own information. Now get back out there and police the whole world. You’ve certainly proven you have the knowledge to do so. [external link](mdr-tb)-and-how-do-we-control-it

Nov 23, 2020 on

Todd Garrison

Lisa Jane I’m glad you’d never write off a student for grammar mistakes. But once again, that’s not the playing field here, so quit moving the ball. This is a conversation about public health, life and death during a pandemic. Why would anyone take advice from an adult who claims to know the law and science but doesn’t understand the difference between “cite” and “site?” Such a basic error certainly doesn’t make a person seem authoritative. If you want to call me a petulant child because I’d rather put my trust in the majority of scientific and legal opinion instead of that of some ill-informed randos on Facebook, that is of course your privilege. But why can’t you stand out of the way and let the rest of us try what hasn’t truly been implemented collectively in this country—containment by judicious measures? It’s worked in other countries. If wearing masks, self quarantining and real social distancing doesn’t work, in six months you can gloat all you want. And we’ll try it your way again—you know, the way that’s already led to a quarter of a million deaths?

Nov 23, 2020 on

Linda Rink Zern

Todd Garrison well said!!!

Nov 23, 2020 on

Lisa Jane

Laura Hunt , that was during WWII, not a pandemic. 🙄 While some conservation measures were necessary for the war effort, the internment of Japanese Americans has not aged well in history. ( For good reason.) Way to prove the point of everyone you disagree with.)

Nov 23, 2020 on

Linda Rink Zern

Lisa Jane they aren’t wearing masks, must be Republicans. Always sneaking in and ruining a peaceful protest.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Ree Young

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Lisa Jane Ah, I see...because they don't follow the rules, we shouldn't follow them either. Or is it that because they don't follow the rules, the rules must be useless.

What was it mothers used to tell their kids when the kids whined, "But all my friends are doing it!"?

Oh, yeah..."If all your friends jumped off a bridge, would you jump, too?"

You seem to have a case of Whataboutism.

Why should you have to wear a mask, right? Because what about the governor who didn't wear a mask, what about the senator who didn't social distance...?

What about them? Some of them got COVID, and a number of them passed it onto their families. Some of them may die because this pandemic is far from over.

So, when you or someone you love gets COVID, remember to not moan or complain or want sympathy because you will be told, Why are you complaining? What about the 258,000 people who have died from it?

Nov 23, 2020 on

Ree Young

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Lisa Jane Good grief, you're hysterical! My sister lives in Pennsylvania and no one is forcing anyone to wear a mask in their own homes. It's a suggestion that, when people whom you have not been living with regularly come to visit...or service or repair people, you should wear a mask, as should they. Because sane people recognize that someone coming to visit might have been exposed to COVID and can pass it on to you. A number of companies around here are having their repair people wear masks when going into anyone's home...because it's the intelligent thing to do.

No one is forcing you to wear a mask at all, actually. Just keep yourself and your germs away from other people because you have no right to spread diseases.

That harms the public and you do NOT have the Constitutional freedom to do that. So, take off your mask, but then stay back or go elsewhere. But don't endanger others during an pandemic that has claimed a quarter of a million lives in the US alone.

I guess you don't realize that you sound like a screaming child throwing a temper tantrum because you're not allowed to go out and play in the hurricane. the mask is for your own good, but you: I don't wanna wear a mask and you can't make me.

Nope, no one can make you mask...but don't blame anyone but yourself when you get sick or if you are told to either put on a mask or else leave the store. No one else wants to risk getting what you have.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Crystal Grovdahl

Thank God for the Constitution of the United States. Be well ✌️

Nov 23, 2020 on

Ree Young

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Lisa Jane No, with smallpox, governments did not quarantine healthy people...until they showed symptoms...and every year before the smallpox vaccine, 300 million people died from it. 80% of children who caught it died.

But your "personal freedoms "are more important that keeping children well and alive, I guess.

You are not correct about the measures taken by the government.

Public health orders are generally carried out by local boards of health or by state law. These laws are known as "police powers." ("police" as in the act of policing, not the actual police though law enforcement officers did deal with violators). These laws "give governments the authority to interfere with individual liberty or property rights in the name of the general welfare and the public well-being."

People were isolated when they had tuberculosis if it was in the communicable stage. Latent TB was not communicable, so no isolation was needed there. However, there are law in various states that allow the health dept. to isolate anyone with communicable TB, and, if the person is kept at home, law enforcement is allowed to install electronic devices to monitor them to make sure the sick person stayed there.

And if they didn't finish their treatment, they were not let out of isolation until they could prove (3 tests done every 8 hours for a 24-hour period) that they were negative for TB.

Furthermore, every year school kids were given a TB tine test...mandatory, and yes, it hurt. I had them when I was in school. The tests were "read" a couple days later, and if there were any reaction, off the kid went to be isolated, and, no, parents had no control over this because...

Personal freedoms, personal and property rights DO NOT supersede the safety of the public health.

The Department of Health and Human Services has the legal authority, under the Public Health Service Act, can declare a public health emergency. Many laws, policies, and regulations then go into effect.

Orders to stay at home, to close businesses, to regulate crowd sizes, etc. are all parts of laws that have come into being because epidemics, like smallpox, polio, TB, and other contagious diseases, have taken so many lives and left so many people with serious long-term side effects.

Why have these things become laws? Because of people like YOU who refused to give up their own selfish wants, refused to wear masks, refused to quarantine, refused to socially isolate, and spewed nonsense about personal freedoms being more important that life and well-being of others, and who, in their self-centeredness and lack of compassion and humanity, condemned hundreds of thousands of people to lifelong conditions or death.

You might think your rights are being infringed upon, but you have no idea how many legal avenues the local, state, and federal governments actually have to keep egotistical, entitled people from harming others with their "I want to go out...I want to have a party...I want...I want...I want..."

Just because they haven't been used yet doesn't mean they won't be as the death toll goes up and up.

But, of course, considering your feelings about wearing a mask and staying home except for absolute necessities, you may not be around to see these regulations implemented.

COVID doesn't care about your wild exaggerations or your lack of knowledge of actual laws and mandates, and it doesn't give a damn about your personal freedoms.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Kathy Rehme

Shennondoah Og my God you're ignorant. People like you are why we are at this level of contagion and death.

Nov 24, 2020 on

Lisa Jane

Nici Kobrowski , I care a great deal. I’m aware of the pear shape. I am simply pointing out the fact that not everyone agrees with your assessment on dealing with COVID.

Nov 24, 2020 on

Lisa Jane

Ree Young , if you read my other post I commented on that. I do wear masks. I social distance. I endanger no one. I wasn’t just referencing PA. I was referencing other cities and states, too. For most people this is called a discussion. [external link]

Nov 24, 2020 on

Nici Kobrowski

Lisa Jane Your interpretation of freedom and the price for that is skewed.

Nov 24, 2020 on

Lisa Jane

Ree Young , you are simply regurgitating the statistics. I am aware of the history and death numbers. Your comments do not refute nor support mine. I don’t know why you are on this tirade.***I WEAR masks. I social distance. I am simply stating that there is a line between needed protective measures and tyranny. If that sends you over the edge, I cannot help you. Don’t you believe that those issuing the orders should follow them? [external link]

Nov 24, 2020 on

Lisa Jane

Nici Kobrowski , according to you. Were it your business that was closed due to COVID lockdown and you could not feed your family you would be have a different perspective., especially if that business was lost forever. *** As I have stated before, I wear masks and social distance. I am also observing as other people lose their livelihoods forever. I am aware of the mental health issues that are coming into play as a result of lockdown laws that have more to do with control of people than control if the virus. I am concerned about the loss of immunity to those who have been “sheltered in place “ for too long. In other words, I am paying attention. Many Americans are. Someone has to do so. [external link]

Nov 24, 2020 on

Lisa Jane

Todd Garrison , wow. I wear masks. I social distance. I am not anything you assume me to be. I presented other points of view. That’s obviously too much for you to handle.

Nov 24, 2020 on

Lisa Jane

Ree Young , you completely missed the point. When the rules apply to the governed and not to those who govern there are red flags. You are a person who walks into things while you text, aren’t you? For the last time, in all caps so you can see and understand: I WEAR MASKS. I SOCIAL DISTANCE. I am, however paying attention to all of the factors in play. I am watching powerful individuals shut down and ruin lives as they go on about their business, exempt from the rule of their own law. For most of us it is possible to engage critical thinking and function at the same time. (Most of us. Obviously not all.)

Nov 24, 2020 on

Lisa Jane

Ree Young , who are you to assume that only YOU have neighbors and friends sick from COVID? Everyone in this nation will feel the effects of this in one way or another. Not everyone will agree with your opinion on how to manage this. That doesn’t make them wrong. Again, there is a difference in common sense health management and government overreach. If you cannot tell the difference you will live with the outcome.

Nov 24, 2020 on

Nici Kobrowski

Lisa Jane what drivel.

Nov 24, 2020 on

Todd Garrison

Lisa Jane great, you believe in science. So why be so unnecessarily combative here? And If you believe in following the rules, why argue so strenuously against others doing so? Maybe you’re just spoiling for a good online knock down, drag out.

Nov 24, 2020 on

Ree Young

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Tracy Antonelli "Not dead" does not mean "recovered." There are people who have not died from congestive heart failure...yet...but there is no recovery for them after it gets to a certain stage. They live with an early death hanging over them.

Maybe you have no children, so you don't realize what it means to watch your child die slowly, never to "recover," and the child, knowing he or she will never recover...or live past a certain age is unbelievably harsh for them to bear.

Just because some people did not die from COVID does not mean they are recovered and life goes on as usual for them. That's science...it's fact that's being documented all over the world, not just in the US. Not an opinion.

As far as my neighbors...they are still worried about the children because there are cases where some kids who had mild symptoms are developing a severe complication called multisystem inflammatory syndrome. And some have still not gotten over the fatigue, which causes an extra burden on their family because they work a farm and need everyone to pitch in to keep it going.

But you can be as careless and disbelieving as you want, keep drinking the Kool-Aid lies. It's a guarantee that karma will eventually hit you, and you will remember your attitude and cavalier comments...and astounding ignorance of what is and isn't true (like all the things in the Constitution you have never read about)...but it will be too late. What goes around does come back around to you.

Don't waste your time responding to this. I won't be wasting my time reading any more responses from you. What you are spouting is desperate drivel and phony stories that you've fallen for. You bought into the con.

Your inability to admit you could be wrong, even in the face of facts, may one day be your downfall. But maybe you'll get lucky, and karma will just slap you around a bit so you can live on and on with the regrets. And you will learn that regret is the bitterest pill of all.

Nov 24, 2020 on

Ree Young

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Lisa Jane Nice that you assume I'm against big weddings because I used weddings as an example of super-spreaders. They're in the news, by the way...the big weddings that were held regardless of the virus and also in the news are the number of people who had been at these weddings and caught COVID, how any died, and also how many the infected people spread it to after the wedding.

But your talk of burning buildings and crimes and criminal who wear masks not arrested...I have no idea what that's all about. Something you saw in a movie, maybe? I wrote nothing about being in favor of crimes or looting...didn't even mention anyof that.

You really are hysterical.

Nov 24, 2020 on

Ree Young

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Lisa Jane Where did I say ANYTHING about only my neighbors being sick with COVID??? My response about my neighbors was to a post that claimed COVID wasn't the problem it's made out to beand99% recover (that actually is not true at all and I did provide the link that explained that).

I never wrote or even insinuated that my neighbors are the only ones sick from COVID! You have really gone off the deep end and are imagining things that are not there. Maybe go back and read more carefully when you're calmer?

Nov 24, 2020 on

Ree Young

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Lisa Jane It is not MY opinion on how to manage the virus. It's the opinion of experts in the field...many experts all over the word, not just in the US.

And the people who had other opinions...like herd immunity (which doesn't work with a disease that can be and has been caught a second time),...are finding out that, yes, they were wrong. Some of them had the decency and courage to admit they were wrong. Others still rant on despite actual proof.

One last thing...I do not text and walk into things. I do not text. I live in a rural area where there is only spotty service, so my cellphone is pretty much useless...which is why I have a land line.

I carry my cell phone when I leave home in case of car trouble or emergencies because I go to areas where there IS cell phone service.

The few times I have needed to all someone on the cell...traffic backed up, running late, whatever...I have pulled over into a safe spot to make the call.

You've made wild assumptions, and the irrationality of them is really showing. So, since it's a waste of time to try to reason with someone who is acting like you are, I will not be responding...or even reading...anything you might respond back to me.

Please, get some help. Really. This level of illogic and resulting fear and anger is not healthy for you.

Nov 24, 2020 on

Lisa Jane

Nici Kobrowski , who is selfish? You and your sanctimonious friends are selfish and shortsighted . *** Are you aware of the upsurge of depression, mental illness, suicide, child abuse and spousal abuse due to the effects of this lockdown? Are you of aware that some children do not have an opportunity to eat if they aren’t at school? Are you aware that people are losing everything because they cannot work or because they are losing the very businesses their family depend on? The Law of Unintended Consequences is always in play. ** You call yourself an adult yet you function on a one dimensional, concrete level that is absolutely void of critical thinking skills and cause and effect observations. You are hardly in a position to lecture anyone on their knowledge or motives. Since the experts cannot agree on this issue, we all do the best we can. Here is a thought. You handle COVID as you need to handle it. You let everyone take care of their business without your “expert” interference and your judgement. You just concentrate on tying your shoes every morning. *** DISCLAIMER FOR THE COVID KARENS: I wear masks and social distance.

Nov 24, 2020 on

Lisa Jane

Nici Kobrowski , again, according to you. Who are you to make such pronouncements?

Nov 24, 2020 on

Lisa Jane

Ree Young , you’re making observations about everyone else. Does it bother you when others do the same to you? What part of my posts are you refuting? I am asking you how draconian lockdowns affect children who count on public school meals. I’m asking you how you plan on helping abused women and children who are in forced lockdown. Where is your concern and empathy for those who won’t economically survive these lockdowns? I’m very reasonable. You just cannot defend your own position. While you’re screaming at everyone to go into lockdown, consider someone besides yourself. [external link]

Nov 24, 2020 on

Lisa Jane

Ree Young , “ drivel?” You consider such news “drivel?” [external link]

Nov 24, 2020 on

Lisa Jane

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Nov 24, 2020 on

Lisa Jane

More side effects of forced lockdowns: [external link]%3F_amp%3Dtrue

Nov 24, 2020 on

Lisa Jane

Nici Kobrowski , and as long you are aren’t affected, you are not concerned. [external link]%3FoutputType%3Damp

Nov 24, 2020 on

Lisa Jane

Nici Kobrowski , you actually consider the loss of income, mental illness, suicide, domestic abuse, child abuse and child hunger resulting from enforced lockdowns to be “drivel? “ Tell us again why we should be listening to you. [external link]

Nov 24, 2020 on

Nici Kobrowski

Lisa Jane obviously we can see why we shouldn't be listening to you. But you do you.

Nov 24, 2020 on

Linda Rink Zern

Lisa Jane it sounds like you may be what we call a KNOW IT ALL. 😂😂😂

Nov 24, 2020 on

Lisa Jane

I am not drinker but many people enjoy alcohol, especially at the holidays. How does this ban help to stop the spread of COVID? [external link]

Nov 24, 2020 on

Lisa Jane

Nici Kobrowski , they haven’t banned your turkey and dressing yet. PA has banned alcohol sales on the day before Thanksgiving. Of course this “will help stop the pandemic.” Right? [external link]

Nov 24, 2020 on

Lisa Jane

Nici Kobrowski , you cannot answer one question. If YOU want to force lockdowns, YOU are responsible for managing the fallout. How many hungry children are YOU going to feed? How many victims of abuse are YOU going to care for? Victims of these lockdowns that YOU wish to force on people aren’t YOUR children. They aren’t YOUR family members. Who is selfish? If you address me again, have the guts to address the issues I’ve listed. If you cannot or will not , sit down, mind your business and keep your demands to yourself. #hypocrite

Nov 24, 2020 on

Nici Kobrowski

Lisa Jane why don't you address the comments about you bitching about losing you freedoms, which is code for being inconvenienced? But continue to do you. You might consider calming down before you blow a vein. Lol

Nov 24, 2020 on

Lisa Jane

Nici Kobrowski , I am calm, but I am fiercely protective of the helpless. Did you just reference the prevention of and preparation for child abuse, spousal abuse, hungry children, mental illness, an increase of suicide and loss the loss of incomes of the loss of incomes for countless Americans as an “inconvenience?” All as a result of lockdowns that you are shoving down everyone’s throat?

Nov 24, 2020 on

Nici Kobrowski

Lisa Jane if you were fiercely protective of the helpless you wouldn't be bitching about losing freedom during a pandemic. Right now you are just a broken record and in denial.

Nov 24, 2020 on

Lisa Jane

Nici Kobrowski , as I said, I social distance. I wear a mask. I haven’t lost my freedom. I don’t live in a state where insanity reigns. This is about you refusing to take ownership of the consequences of your would be demands on other Americans. You want to force a lockdown but you want no part in helping the victims. When people disagreed with your stance you attacked them. I’ve answered your questions. You have no answers for your infinite selfishness and hypocrisy.

Nov 24, 2020 on

Nici Kobrowski

Lisa Jane You have made up an irrational scenario in your unsettled mind and tried to twist my words because you can't take responsibility for your own your words and thoughts. Enjoy your escape room.

Nov 24, 2020 on

Lisa Jane

Doc Campos , my dad and my uncle fought across Europe. My uncle helped liberate Dachau. I am an educator as well. I simply pointed out current events as they correlate with history.

Nov 24, 2020 on

Lisa Jane

Doc Campos , there are other professionals who disagree with you. I am not self indulgent. My opinions do not align with yours. People will disagree with you. Learn to live with it.

Nov 24, 2020 on

Lisa Jane

Nici Kobrowski , do you read? What part children going hungry do you not comprehend? Sometimes, school is the only place these children have a chance to eat. What part of lockdown child abuse and spousal abuse escalation gets past you? What part of lockdown mental duress and higher suicide rates is beyond your grasp? What are you doing to help alleviate the situation that you support?

Nov 24, 2020 on

Nici Kobrowski

Lisa Jane keep going. You are spiraling.

Nov 24, 2020 on

Lisa Jane

Nici Kobrowski , I simply ask you a question. I never twisted your problems. You support mandatory lockdowns. How much thru help is in dispute. Since you excoriate others for disagreeing with you, I am asking you for simple explanations. If you force people into lockdown, how do you propose to feed the children? How are you going to protect victims of home child and spousal abuse? Further, are you going assist in helping people suffering from depression in lockdowns? What are you volunteering to do? You referenced these life altering tragedies as “inconveniences.” My mind is clear as is my conscious. When a child or anyone else receives an extra beatings because they are in forced lockdown with abusers, that’s on you. So is the rest of the fallout from your demands, princess.

Nov 24, 2020 on

Nici Kobrowski

Lisa Jane you do you.

Nov 24, 2020 on

Lisa Jane

Nici Kobrowski , I’m fine. I’ve answered your questions. When are you going to answer? [external link]

Nov 24, 2020 on

Lisa Jane

Nici Kobrowski , [external link]

Nov 24, 2020 on

Lisa Jane

Nici Kobrowski , either you help fix the problems you create with your forced lockdowns or you mind tidy business. [external link]

Nov 24, 2020 on

Doc Campos

Lisa Jane apparently you have not "learned to live with it".

Nov 24, 2020 on

Lisa Jane

Doc Campos , I’m just wondering who among the lockdown enforcers are going to help with the hell it’s creating /going to create. On the increase due to forced lockdowns are: Domestic abuse rates, child abuse rates, children going without eating because they are not in school , lost family incomes, mental health decline, and suicide rates that rival Covid death numbers. I saw people who disagreed with lockdowns ripped apart on this page. My questions are very simple. If you support something you should be able to address the fallout.

Nov 24, 2020 on

Nici Kobrowski

Lisa Jane all I hear you doing is bumping gums in your padded cell.

Nov 24, 2020 on

Doc Campos

Lisa Jane you haven't listened.

Nov 24, 2020 on

Barbara Vargo Dean

I was very young but I remember this.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Marti James

A much less self-centered generation. My grandmother went to Mass every day for 4 years praying her three sons would come home. Grow up America. Stay Home. Wear a Mask.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Crystal Grovdahl

Indeed. The boomer generation takes the cake for selfishness.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Wil Perry

Stay home? For a virus that has over a 95% survival rate? If youre scared, stay home. The rest of us have to pay bills.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Elizabeth McFarland

Crystal Grovdahl Highly unlikely! Why would you even say that?

Nov 23, 2020 on

Nita Younger

Wil Perry that is a LIE. Gtfo with your q conspiracy.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Wil Perry

It's not a Lie, it's from the cdc. You gtfo you cabbage.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Nita Younger

Crystal Grovdahl does not seem like a very nice person

Nov 23, 2020 on

Nici Kobrowski

Wil Perry go learn what a pandemic is and how this pandemics death rate of TWO percent is still 10x more deadly than the seasonal flu. Tell that to the families of the 250k who have died in the US and the 1.4 M worldwide. And then GTH, you pompous windbag.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Wil Perry

Nici Kobrowski the cdc said that under 10k have died strictly from covid. If you believe that over 200k have died you are as brain dead as you sound. The death rate isn't even at .004 %. And go f*** yourself.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Stacy Chiarello

Marti James they were the greatest generation

Nov 23, 2020 on

P.d. Lovato

Crystal Grovdahl it isn't the so called boomers, spreading the virus. It's the 30 something's.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Suzanne Scherer

Crystal that era was the Greatest Generation, not the Boomers.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Debbie Cowger

Suzanne Scherer That and the boomers were raised by depression and the Greatest Generation era parents and grandparents. We were taught not to waste, to recycle and being frugal is how we were raised.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Valery Puiatti Roberts

Wil Perry hope you never know one person of the other 5 % . I do, young, healthy now gone. I guess u feel that 5% is expendable.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Robyn Meyer

Wil Perry I've heard a good idea, we make the anti maskers dig the Graves for the dead.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Crystal Grovdahl

Yes we know the difference between the Greatest Generation and the Baby Boomers.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Crystal Grovdahl

30 somethings have to work for a living and keep the economy going.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Stacy Chiarello

Robyn Meyer I heard on radio the other day that prisoners were being used to carry the dead into the makeshift morgues

Nov 24, 2020 on

Ree Young

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It's true...people back then knew what really hard times were like. Most of the adults during WWII were teens or older during the Great Depression.

And here folks are now, griping like it's the end of the world to not get everything they want or to be able to go everywhere they want (gas was rationed, too, as well as clothes, and even soap) because they could catch a deadly disease and spread it. Imagine, complaining about wearing a mask or staying home more in order to save your own health or life and that of those you care about!

Folks from back then would be shocked to hear the griping and see the mandates being ignored! We'd be labeled as unpatriotic!

Nov 23, 2020 on

Joann Thiel-Larson

Ree Young I remember the stories of people getting the goods, even though they were not suppose to. But even during probation some people drank.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Ree Young

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Joann Thiel-Larson Yeah, black markets always show up when anything is limited.

Nov 23, 2020 on

AncientFaces

Ree Young My grandfather owned a Chevy dealership and he had to pivot to having his mechanics fix cars. Often, he was paid in canned goods, a butchered hog - whatever people grew themselves. (Leading to my young mother to complain that they were hoarding!) :) But in all fairness, the 1918 - 1920 pandemic was similar to what people are doing now - many got tired of wearing masks, lengthening the pandemic. :(

Nov 23, 2020 on

Ree Young

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AncientFaces One of my uncles died in the 1918 epidemic...only 25, leaving a wife and 2 children.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Joann Thiel-Larson

AncientFaces plus many soldiers during WW1 were shipped overseas shoulder to shoulder without masks. Making their age group the hardest hit. But also why it ended sooner because the healthy started the herd immunity. At least that is what I saw on PBS. Wish my father and mother would of talked about the Spanish flu to know.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Crystal Rose

Im dutch and we call the winter of 44 45 de hongerwinter the hungerwinter in the cities there was barely any food and it was a long cold nasty winter and still they went on as much as possible kids got send to the countryside in hopes of a family with a farm taking them in so they would survive because the tickets or bonnen as we called them where worth nothing as there was nothing anyone who died because of the freezing temperatures got buried in a tempory spot and if no one else lived in that house the kitchens and pantrys got robbed often because all the good food was for the top ranks and even they got close to starving in the end and still they found ways to carry on

Nov 23, 2020 on

Pamela Collins Focarino

Crystal Rose i wasn't quite born yet but i know we had nothing compared to Europe that suffered greatly.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Christine Boyle

Crystal Rose thank you for sharing that story. 😥How awful war is. How awful Hitler was.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Mike Share

Thank you , Crystal Rose, for letting the truth be heard once more.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Kate Van Dyck

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Crystal Rose it was a dreadful time. Thank you for sharing.

Nov 23, 2020 on

P.d. Lovato

Crystal Rose I hope to God, this never happens again. Thank you for sharing.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Brigitte Cherubini

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Crystal Rose My mom was in France during WW2 and had Nazi soldiers staying in their house. She spoke of hard times also. She just passed away this past Feb.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Lemon Nelly

Crystal Rose my Mother in Law was Dutch, she hated turnip and swede as that is what her family survived on, she would say they are just for cows not children

Nov 24, 2020 on

Glynys Barrett

Crystal Rose Oh yes... l was born in London, 1945 and my mum told me of the desperate inhuman situation in Holland ( and also Greece) when ordinary people died on the streets from starvation. 💔 Linda Lion

Nov 24, 2020 on

Crystal Rose

Its one of the reasons why i read everything about ww2 i can get my hands on because this should never be forgetten and sadly they barely spoke of this during history classes most stories are my grandmothers

Nov 24, 2020 on

Edward Ward

You people have your heads in the sand if think this isn't going on right now. Genocide and famine is alive and going unchecked as we speak.

Nov 24, 2020 on

Bob Gaines

I read about that in many histories of WWII, and the airlift of food that helped, finally, to end it. The Nazis committed many, many crimes during the war.

Dec 01, 2020 on

Leigh Ann Mitchell

When I taught US history, we covered this in our WWII unit. I asked my students if we were at war today and had to ration, what items would possibly be rationed? The answers were very interesting, especially when students began to research what certain items were made of.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Pat Lo Duca

My grandmother told me the neighbors and family members kicked in stamps for sugar and other things so she could bake my mother’s wedding cake.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Elizabeth Garcia

People would protest should this happen nowadays, at the rate we are going who knows. Respect for this generation that went through this time in history.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Pamela Collins Focarino

Elizabeth Garcia yes they would say but we are a free country,you can't tell me what to do! Free to kill your neighbor and family.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Alyce Carson

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Pamela Collins Focarino puhleeze!!!

Nov 23, 2020 on

Pamela Collins Focarino

Alyce Carson yes really.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Cordelia Garcia

Sad but necessary at the time.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Jeff Oliaro

They were the greatest generation!

Nov 23, 2020 on

Maureen Bates

I've got a couple of those cards that my parents and grandparents had ....among my treasures .

Nov 23, 2020 on

Norma Habenstein

Maureen Bates I also have my grandmother's ration book. She really was very careful, not to use too much. I miss her.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Maureen Bates

Norma Habenstein yeah, it's amazing how their generation could make the most of everything.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Myrna Morrison

Maureen Bates I guess that’s why my parents made us raise everything they ate. Huge garden, orchard, butchering on three day weekends. Depression/war babies.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Maureen Bates

Yeah. I guess so . I wasn't born yet,but had older siblings who were ...I know I grew up on a farm,and we had a huge garden. I sure helped plant and pick the garden. That was usually one of our after school chores. That and helping feed the horses and milk the cows ..the good old days. Haha

Nov 23, 2020 on

Doc Campos

Maureen Bates yes, all of my family at home had what was called "Victory Gardens" and they shared food. All of the men in the family were in the military overseas. The community came together to survive.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Doc Campos

Maureen Bates We raised our children on a farm when they were young. We grew most of our own food and raised animals. We had our own chickens and eggs. They learned to conserve and to recycle what we could.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Maureen Bates

Doc Campos yeah . They didn't waste anything.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Iris Blanchard Flores

I still own my Dad's and grandmother's ration books with coupons.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Kate Interrante

and they would never hoard as they knew that others would need those goods as well. In two-three generations we've become a selfish generation.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Autumn Phillimore

Kate Interrante they would never hoard? Why do you think those ration books etc were made...

Nov 23, 2020 on

Kate Interrante

Autumn I meant this generation. Beginning of the pandemic toilet paper and other items were impossible to find.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Autumn Phillimore

Kate Interrante I know who you meant, and i meant those ppl were forced to ration via a strict system for a reason then too.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Cheri Dunaway Parkinson

Kate Interrante I can assure you they not only hoarded, they lied, cheated and stole to get what they wanted. People never really change, we just like to think they do.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Robyn Meyer

Cheri Dunaway Parkinson you know, they had a different honor system back then, most were too proud to steal, going to jail was a bad thing. Not so today, people don't have ethics.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Cheri Dunaway Parkinson

Robyn Meyer My Grandparents told a much different story. Hunger wins over pride.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Pamela Collins Focarino

this generation won't even wear a mask

Nov 23, 2020 on

Susan Estilow

They were united!

Nov 23, 2020 on

Rhonda Patrick Smith

I moved into a new house in August and the previous owner left some newspapers from the 40's and I just finally had time to read them this weekend. It was very interesting reading about the rations, some surprisingly small.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Karen Charles

Parents

Nov 23, 2020 on

Autumn Phillimore

Big difference between rationing and stripping kids of educations, families of ability to socialize, sentencing elderly to solitude, and closing businesses that are otherwise doing ok and letting them fall into financial ruin
And we are being rationed when stores are limiting what we can purchase. (Meats, paper products, cleaning supplies, etc..)

Nov 23, 2020 on

Doc Campos

Autumn Phillimore what would you suggest? The reason things have gotten this bad is because people were unwilling to follow basic communicable disease protocols.

Children can do just fine without one year of school. I would have closed schools completely for the year. I would also have provided a stipend to each household not working instead of bailing out wealthy people who have continued to garner more billions. I saw nothing in your post about a government that willingly bailed out billionaires and not it's average citizen. It is the small businesses and the average person who needed a monthly stipend and food vouchers.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Reta Sloan

Autumn Phillimore no comparison. We have no idea how bad it was.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Autumn Phillimore

Doc Campos 1st; ppl did follow mandates and had no choice when schools closed last year and so on..
2nd; in your own words you are getting mad about things that werent even said? 🤔

Nov 23, 2020 on

Doc Campos

Autumn Phillimore and you know I am "getting mad" how? Must be magic.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Linda Rushing

Autumn Phillimore What utter nonsense. What inflammatory statements . "stripping of education" Letting businesses fall to ruin" . What utter gobbledygook. People socialized and went to Business on Halloween little girl and NOW surprise surprise the Virus is spiking about two weeks later and because of you and people like you.This Virus is killing people all over the world not just here.People are tired of it all over the world not just here. If you want to blame something beside the Virus for the terrible things happening TRY the GUY in charge who was briefed by intelligence and said to a journalist on TAPE by the way so he can not lie his toddler way out of it---A virus is coming from China "it is going to be bad Bob. very bad" a lot of people are going to die. When asked what he would do he said he would do Nothing. NOW Autumn i suggest you look at what the U.S. did when Ebola was coming. They could have limited this abomination BUT the Toddler in chief elected to ignore it. That means HE and he alone (besides the virus itself) is responsible for your failed Businesses, closed schools,isolated nursing homes and all the dead from the virus not to mention the survivors who are dealing with the aftermath. He is totally responsible for the lack of TRUE information and for the total lack of response to the virus and Lying repeatedly about what we now know was something HE knew about and purposly and decidedly and what I can only imagine was malice to let people die and kill people and buisness and every other thing In this country. WHO works against His own Country Autumn????

Nov 23, 2020 on

Autumn Phillimore

Doc Campos because you began ranting/rambling about things that werent even in my comment. 🤷‍♀️
So yeah the same magic that touched you must've touched me 🧙‍♂️

Nov 23, 2020 on

Autumn Phillimore

Nov 23, 2020 on

Doc Campos

Linda Rushing like the South Dakota motorcycle rally. Out of control COVID cases there. And a much higher death rate because of the healthcare system cannot keep up with that level of cases.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Doc Campos

Autumn Phillimore stating facts is not "getting mad" ... it's facts, things you apparently judge to be unacceptable.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Autumn Phillimore

Linda Rushing I didnt even read past the first few lines of your post because you are pointing fingers at ppl about halloween. Idk if you dont know how fb works but your posts are like ALL public and theres a few of them from halloween that dont seem like you had an issue with ppl trunk or treating or preparing for trick or treaters. 🤷‍♀️😂👌🏻
I guess if you're going to point fingers you should be very aware that you have 4 pointing at yourself.
Also idk why on November 3rd you posted #ivoted if you could have done mail in voting before then..... interesting though how you are blaming others for not locking themselves in right at the start of your rant, I guess you and your friends are exceptions and dont need to live how you want everyone else to?

Nov 23, 2020 on

Linda Rushing

Autumn Phillimore Typical of a spoiled entiled person not not read some thing but try to comment.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Autumn Phillimore

Doc Campos I didnt judge what you said to be unacceptable just that you started going on about things that werent even said 🤷‍♀️ I dont disagree large businesses and corporations didnt need any money to "help" them. They for the large part were the least effected

Nov 23, 2020 on

Autumn Phillimore

Doc Campos but when you say you'd close schools down for a year and it wouldnt hurt kids.. you're wrong. A lot of kids get things they need from school that they arent getting anywhere else that their families cant afford outside of school or in some cases just dont even care. Services that are in fact time sensitive and need to be consistant and putting off makes it more of a struggle. Then theres poverty stricken areas where kids depend on school and school programs just to eat that day

Nov 23, 2020 on

Autumn Phillimore

Linda Rushing yeah I'm spoiled and entitled meanwhile you're hypocrisy is publicly displayed all over your fb page

Nov 23, 2020 on

Ann Shriner

Autumn Phillimore yes that part is true. But it's due to a much larger ongoing problem. Poverty didnt just start yesterday or last month. It's the UNDERLYING problems that are being exposed rn due to this pandemic. It goes much deeper than 'the kids are starving to death w/o their school breakfast and lunch provided". Think.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Alina Badia de Lacour

Doc Campos 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

Nov 23, 2020 on

Ree Young

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Autumn Phillimore Families not able to socialize? For what...some months? A year.?

How about forever when they catch COVID and die? Like the kids who lost parents, and parents who lost kids. Spouses now widows and widowers.

Is that what you think is worth happening so a family can sit down to a meal on one holiday or a couple weekends?

The choice is a holiday later and more for years OR a holiday now, but no holidays ever again. How can people not understand such a very simple thing??

What confuses me is how parents are so anxious to get their kids to school even with the risk of their child being miserably sick or even dying if they go back to school. How can parents be so selfish, so uncaring, so wrapped up in the lies that they would willingly put their child in such danger???

But maybe they think it can't happen to them...their kids are healthy and strong and will grow up and be fine. Guess what? That is not so. It can happen to them, very easily. No one is immune.

The shame is that these people won't realize it can happen to them until it DOES happen to them, and it's the child who suffers.

I've lost a child. Not to COVID, but it was still so unimaginable that my daughter was gone. It was permanent, the pain didn't stop, the grief didn't stop, it hurt then and it hurts now and it will always hurt. But, hey, send the kids to school. Keep thinking it can't happen to you.

And, yes, there are kids whose only nutritious meal may be the one they get at school. So, where's the government to step in and make sure these kids eat?? Oh, wait, the leader said kids don't get COVID, and the those who defended him said what the people needed in help was too much, give them less or we won't agree to give them anything.

I'm a retired teacher who has taught a lot of classes online. My grandkids are getting school online, and they're doing okay. Not missing any information, and if it takes a year for them to go back safely, they're not going to be so far behind that they can't catch up quickly. Some schools, in fact, have long been teaching information at a 4th or 5th grade level that other schools don't get into till 6th grade. It hasn't caused any kids to fall so far behind that they can't go on with their education.

By the way, I went to school with a girl who was out for almost the whole year...rheumatic fever that cause some heart damage...and she graduated with the rest of her class, no problem. I was even out for over 6 months at one point due to illness, but, surprisingly, I was able to go on and pass all the grades with my peers and even go on to get degrees and become a teacher.

By all means, get upset over a holiday or two that you can't have the way you want. Get infected and pass it on to someone else. You might think it's your right to harm others because the rules interfere what you want...not need, but just want.

Oh, about the elderly being isolated. I'm elderly, and I would damn well prefer being isolated even longer than be dead forever.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Doc Campos

Autumn Phillimore if you'd read the entire post you would also see that I stated these families should have stipends and food vouchers so that they can care for themselves. You just want to be right. So be right. You aren't going to understand no matter what. I worked in epidemiology and healthcare for 30 years. I also worked in the school system as part of that working with high risk children. I'm fully aware of what services are offered and I also know that being alive gives one a chance to improve their lives as they get older. Death or disability in the family causes much more harm.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Marlie McFarlane

Ree Young well said! People are being selfish to risk their lives and those of others just for one Thanksgiving. This will be one of the hardest things I've ever had to do........have Christmas eve without the kids. First time in 50 years my husband and i will be alone.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Doc Campos

Ree Young thank you! Very well said. I am very sorry for the loss of your daughter. I almost lost a son in a car wreck. I was lucky he pulled through. I can't imagine the pain of that loss. Thank you for all you've done as a teacher. Most all of my friends are teachers, nurses and doctors so we know full well the ultimate cost of this virus. I am a doctor and nurse (30 years worth), now disabled from work injuries that nearly killed me. I had COVID this year and it took me over 2 months to recover. It's disheartening to see the willful ignorance of those still believing it's no big deal. My friends are in the middle of this working in acute care hospitals. It's devastating to their morale and some have lost their lives. Thank you for your wisdom.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Ree Young

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Marlie McFarlane Believe me, it would be even harder if you didn't have your husband with you. I've been a widow for 31 years. There have been a lot of Christmases alone.

And, sadly, with COVID, there are going to be a lot of missing loved ones.

But you still have a treasure in having each other. Hey, get some new lingerie and surprise your husband on Christmas Eve!😃

Nov 23, 2020 on

Valery Puiatti Roberts

Ree Young well said. nyc schools provided and still provides meals for students when schools closed.
There are no words of comfort for you but sending healing hugs for the loss of your daughter.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Cindy Puiatti

Marlie McFarlane but think of it this way, you really are not alone because your husband is there with you. Some of us are widows and we are truly alone

Nov 25, 2020 on

Marlie McFarlane

Cindy Puiatti i realize that. I'm trying to reach out to all widows or those living alone. Just a phone c a ll might brighten up someone's day

Nov 26, 2020 on

Dee Donaldson Witt-Kearney

Not the same situation at all.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Teresa Rothaar

No way would Americans do this today. They'd shoot up government buildings.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Sharon-Shari Moulder Coleman

My grandparent's stove went out during that time. My grandmother had to go before the ration board to plead her case for a new stove. I have ration stamps that my mom saved. I also remember my mother saying they drew lines up the back of their legs to make it look like they had stockings on.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Nancy Vining

Sharon-Shari Moulder Coleman - yes, they drew the lines with eyebrow pencil! An Aunt said a steak dinner was a rare thing and if the butcher had meat in the cold case, it was as liable to be horse meat as it was beef. You learned not to ask. You just cooked it and were glad to have it.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Heather Phillips

I just came across the ration books for my mothers family during WWll.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Leasa Jean

Heather Phillips , that's so cool that you have those ration books

Nov 23, 2020 on

Deborah Dailey

I have some from my parents as well. They hold a significant and eerie memory.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Chance Favors

The anti-maskers would’ve had a fit.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Nici Kobrowski

Chance Favors esp if they had to go lights out or wear a gas mask.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Nancy Vining

I have tokens and ration books in my baby book. I was born during the war and there is a note from mom that they couldn’t take many photos of me, due to the film shortage because the government needed the silver...

Nov 23, 2020 on

Marielle Valenzuela

They had to for good reason. We do not.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Doc Campos

Marielle Valenzuela wtf is that supposed to mean?

Nov 23, 2020 on

Nicole Scrape Briggs

this young lady😊

Nov 23, 2020 on

Claire Weber

I was a teenager during WW2, and turned 21 a few weeks before it ended in1945. I don't remember the rationing effecting us very much. We didn't own a car, and had very little anyway. But we survived. Never went hungry. Ate a lot of vegetables.. Rode a lot of buses, went to a lot of USO parties. We lived in the middle of the USA, so didn't feel really threatened. Too young and self centered to think about the people in the other countries who were being bombed and killed. Listened to the news from London each night and felt sorry for the people there, but knew there was nothing I could do about it. Ignorance is Bliss I guess. It would be harder on young people today I suppose, because they are used to having just about everything they want. At least most of them are.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Ronald Stevenson

Yep

Nov 23, 2020 on

Reta Berry

Rationing is an idea. It is a war. Just not one we've had to fight before. Rest assured this virus is as deadly serious and devastating to the country as any of the war's were.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Mark White

Still have some of the old ration bookstore my Mom had.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Karlyn Erner Martinez

Too bad we are living in the new wahhh baby generation who only cares about themselves. I can't imagine the outrage if they were all told they had to ration their Starbucks

Nov 23, 2020 on

Julie Jones

We had it made in America during war compared to Europe, you could have been been eating Tulip bulbs in Holland for days on end, mash loaded with maggots in Poland. In Siberia they had to resort to cannibalism during wartime. I won't even go into the Death camps and yet Americans are still crying Freedom .The horrors didn't end when the war ended. If you saw the looks on the American and French soldiers faces to see the surviving Auschwitz survivors slowly walk out from behind trees as if out of a horror story not looking human at all, wondering if these men are evil or not. Still you worry about your blessed American freedom, shame on you!!!

Nov 23, 2020 on

Vickie Hatton Smyers

Julie Jones. Our 'blessed American freedom' was paid for with the blood of a million patriots who fought and many died for our beautiful freedoms. God bless our country and our freedons

Nov 23, 2020 on

Jackie Malecki

We were also not being held under the power of a genocidal madman in the US. Also, the Soviets liberated Auschwitz, the Americans liberated Dachau.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Cheri Dunaway Parkinson

Julie Jones When we stop "worrying" about our American freedom, we will end up in our own horror story. It's too bad no one worried about freedom in Germany.....might have prevented millions of deaths.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Julie Jones

Vickie Hatton Smyers I fully understand that, it's the complaining over trivial things we are ask to do to save lives compared to the atrocities of World War 1 and 2. We can still socialize and obtain as much as we need to eat. The mask issue became political, the lockdown enraged most Americans, never mind the thousands that became infected and dying in hospitals with no families at their sides. Or our health care workers, who tirelessly watch this disease devour human lives while A great majority of Americans adopt a me attitude and bear guns because they don't want to wear mask or be told what to do or still believe it's a hoax really! When you see a grown man throw a fit because he has to wear a mask for 30 minutes because he claimes it is his right, Yeah blessed American freedom.Freedom has been taken on a different meaning in America. And God has not blessed this country.

Nov 24, 2020 on

Julie S. Turner

Unfortunately, today's people are so self-absorbed and want what they want when they want it and the majority have no idea what sacrifice means.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Amy Walker

And we have people whining about wearing a mask in public. Whatever happened to this mentality? Each of us doing whatever it takes, for the greater good.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Lynn Fish

Amy Walker There is a difference when it is about control and using you as a psychological experiment. Look at the news. They have words that flash on the TV through the whole news cast, "FEAR OF THE VIRUS". This is programming.

Nov 24, 2020 on

Amy Walker

Lynn Fish

Nov 24, 2020 on

Barbara B. Reekie

I have my ration book.

Nov 23, 2020 on

Trish Woolston

So here’s the way I think. We are a nation of laws. Set by legislature. Either federal or state. Not rules by governors of certain states usurping the authority of the state legislature. And then getting caught partying with their friends or wined and dined by the lobbys. Or getting their hair done in a salon that has been closed to everyone else. Or the “peaceful protests” that have been taking place without intervention, and even encouragement by those various people in government. If they want a mask mandate, it should go before Congress or state legislature, where both sides of the isle have a say. I have a lot of health issues and we have chosen to remain at home. No one was wearing masks a couple of years ago when I got the flu that nearly killed me. No one cared then. I didn’t expect it then and I don’t now. And before you go off on a high horse critiquing me, you should know that I have personally made and donated close to 600 masks free to anyone I know that was in need or chooses to wear one. I have been out of our home maybe 6 times since the last of of the month of Jan, and only those times because there were no alternatives, and every time I had a mask on, but I choose to wear it. Common sense people, quit arguing over it all. If you need to be protected be proactive and quit telling me that anyone that doesn’t agree with you is wrong or selfish. If you are all that concerned for your health you would all just stay home. I have medical personal, first responders and the press and service people in my family that must leave their homes to do essential work, and even a new Grand that I haven’t seen because it would not be appropriate to share space. We all make the sacrifices we need for ourselves. My family and I know that it is a necessary thing for us to do. We are responsible for ourselves. You are not responsible for me. What I am getting at here is that there is a process by which things can be done constitutionally, but it is not happening. And there is such hypocritical actions from the very people instituting these “rules” that it is difficult for a lot of people to accept! Stop with the fighting and the shaming. You are not helping the situation only creating more division. You know that you are not going to change anyone’s opinion, it only strengthens the divide, and that hurts us all. Anyone that is exposed to the covid between 10pm and 5am can as easily be exposed during the other hours in the day!

Nov 23, 2020 on

Curtis Martin

Trish Woolston governors and states set laws as well. Take a civics class

Nov 23, 2020 on

Crystal Grovdahl

Trish Woolston, exactly. We have all made tremendous sacrifices during this pandemic, but ultimately your health is your responsibility and my health is mine.

Nov 23, 2020 on

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